From prydonia at accn.org Sat Jul 1 00:04:56 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:04:56 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <002b01bfe2e7$9ec1ffa0$728b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JUNE 30, 2000 Spike, on the subject of Matt Kerr: If you were any more famous, I would have heard of you. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk Sat Jul 1 00:49:03 2000 From: lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk (Lesley Thomson) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:49:03 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] PG Dinner Party References: <000c01bfe2ad$c3d50380$889b01d5@calumslaptop> Message-ID: <005801bfe2ee$36be53c0$1bb389d4@iyu87> > > You could also make sure you have a soft > > drink that stains your skin > > That would be Scotland's Other National Drink (Irn-Bru)... doesn't come out > of anything for anyone. Even warns you on the bottle... Best hangover cure in the world though. Good luck with the move to Ireland, Calum. As much as I love Irn-Bru, if given the choice I would have Ireland's National Drink (the second best hangover cure in the world - as long as you don't stop drinking) any day. Lesley (who has just returned from a night out and may well require a can or two of the hard stuff ('Made in Scotland - From Girders') herself tomorrow morning.) From prydonia at accn.org Sat Jul 1 01:33:12 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:33:12 -0400 Subject: [OT] Idiot needing technical advice Message-ID: <008a01bfe2f3$f2173240$728b78d8@prydonia> Those of you who are computer savvy, I have a problem. I'm getting an e-mail error message when I try to mail out to addresses using aol.com or ecn.net.au suffixes. The error message is this: "cannot check MX records for recipient host." Any ideas? Kevin "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 1 03:01:32 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:01:32 +1000 Subject: PGML-LIP (important) In-Reply-To: <008a01bfe2f3$f2173240$728b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000701111207.019cea30@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, My apologies to those people that have now gotten to the point of bookmarking the PGML-LIP in their browsers, but the address has now changed. Yes, the address is now different. Yes, the URL is no longer the same as it was. However I say it, it all comes down to the same thing. The reason for this is I took the final step and registered myself a domain name, and since I am no longer going to be using my Geocities site, I will be transferring all the data from there to the new location. This includes the PGML-LIP, of course. I realise it might be a slight hassle for those who have bookmarked it. I have left a page at the old site, informing visitors of the new URL, although I have not gone to the effort of auto-redirect. You can just push the link yourself if you lose this email with the new address. Naturally, I'd prefer it if you did not lose this email, but I shall cater for the more likely situation where you do. The new URL change will be reflected in future editions of the PGML-DL (next edition due in about a month's time or so). There have been no new additions to the page since Maya, although I stand ready, as ever, to receive images to put on the page. It's only as good as we make it, dear friends. However, for your viewing pleasure, be sure to check out : www.mooquack.com/pgml-lip.html : for all your listee viewing needs. Trav. PS: This will be off-topic, but anyone that has registered a domain name in the last couple of months could probably appreciate this more, but there are a hell of a lot of different places out there to register. I did not realise the multitude until I looked into it for the best deal. I was all ready to go and pay $70US (for two years) for the domain name from one of the more well-known sites, and after three hours online, managed to secure it at another site, for $20US (for two years) instead. Shows it pays to shop around... ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.mooquack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From calum.junk at btinternet.com Sat Jul 1 03:07:00 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 03:07:00 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] PG Dinner Party In-Reply-To: <005801bfe2ee$36be53c0$1bb389d4@iyu87> Message-ID: <001301bfe301$0ad88e20$889b01d5@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: Lesley Thomson [mailto:lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk] > Best hangover cure in the world though. Indeed it is. >Good luck with the move to Ireland, Calum. As much as I love Irn-Bru, if >given the choice I would have Ireland's National Drink (the second best >hangover cure in the world - as long as you don't stop drinking) any day. Well, assuming you're talking about the black stuff, I'd have to disagree-- a pint of that is a meal in itself, and I can only ever drink two or three at a time! However, I'm quite prepared to practise once I get there. > Lesley (who has just returned from a night out and may well require a > can or two of the hard stuff ('Made in Scotland - From Girders') herself tomorrow > morning.) Me too-- it was my farewell party in Bristol tonight, it's after 3am, and I've just got home. Fortunately I managed to sneak out no less than 48 cans of Irn Bru from the office before I left this afternoon, so I should be alright in the morning.... even if the stuff they sell in England isn't quite the same as the real Glaswegian McCoy. Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.com ICQ 18452714 From maya_crabtree at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 09:05:14 2000 From: maya_crabtree at hotmail.com (Maya Crabtree) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 01:05:14 PDT Subject: [pressgang] Julia Sawalha interview Message-ID: <20000701080514.76561.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, Just making a brief appearance after having a very full couple of weeks, not checking mail even once. I hardly have time NOW, need to do amny other thigns and don't know how I didn't throw myself off the computer earlier. >Incidently PG got a couple of mentions, once at the start, "a brief brush >with >teenage fame when she starred in Press Gang" and later >on a mention of her relationship with Dexter. Could someone please please scan some of those pictures, especailly the one with Dexter and please could someone (else?) type up some of the text - the parts not directly about "chicken run" but about her, her life, Dexter... (I never read an interview with her - no one knows her here....) ;-) Thanks Kate (sorry for having to delete a 100 messages, leaving me 213) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From natacha_t at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 09:18:52 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Julia Sawalha interview Message-ID: <20000701081852.26269.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> --- Maya Crabtree wrote: > > Hi, > > Just making a brief appearance after having a very > full couple of weeks, not > checking mail even once. I hardly have time NOW, > need to do amny other > thigns and don't know how I didn't throw myself off > the computer earlier. > > > > >Incidently PG got a couple of mentions, once at the > start, "a brief brush > >with > >teenage fame when she starred in Press Gang" and > later > >on a mention of her relationship with Dexter. > > > Could someone please please scan some of those > pictures, especailly the one > with Dexter and please could someone (else?) type up > some of the text - the > parts not directly about "chicken run" but about > her, her life, Dexter... > (I never read an interview with her - no one knows > her here....) ;-) There are a couple of them up on the web. I don't remmber the address but if you can find the 'Julia Sawahla Apprechation Society' JSAS and go to their intervews page then there are about 3 or 4. Natacha > > Thanks > > Kate > (sorry for having to delete a 100 messages, leaving > me 213) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From prydonia at accn.org Sat Jul 1 10:16:19 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 05:16:19 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <002001bfe33d$06cbe840$a48b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 1, 2000 Lynda: I dug the hole. I'll do the climbing. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 1 15:52:59 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 00:52:59 +1000 Subject: JSAS URL In-Reply-To: <20000701081852.26269.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000702005259.00899100@mail.futureweb.com.au> The JSAS can be found here. Once on the Julia webring, you're sure to find something. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3465/ Cheers, Steve >There are a couple of them up on the web. I don't >remmber the address but if you can find the 'Julia >Sawahla Apprechation Society' JSAS and go to their >intervews page then there are about 3 or 4. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 1 16:33:52 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:33:52 +1000 Subject: Mmmm....filk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000702013352.0089b560@mail.futureweb.com.au> It struck me recently that this list is sorely missing the one true mark of a long-term nutter fanbase: the collection of filk songs. Sometimes known as song parodies, the Americans have now given their own name of "filk". And dammit, it's about time we entered Press Gang into this lofty institution and really established ourselves as fans. So without further ado, I present the first (as far as I am aware) submission to the Press Gang Song Book. Livin' La Vida Lynda Five days to the first edition She yells to all in sight Won't tolerate sedition She'll make you work all night KDs and Gormless Godfrey All must obey her rule It's eight o'clock already Now you get to go to school She hasn't seen your writings And she doesn't know your name She'll make you do ten rewrites Till you're screaming out in pain She will make you go insane.... That's right! Upside, inside out Livin' la vida Lynda She will wear you out Livin la vida Lynda Her lips are devil red But her heart's the colour of cinders She must get her paper out Livin' la vida Lynda Gets top marks in all her exams Don't need to go to class Even wearing her green jim-jams She will still kick your ass She will make you clean her windows And work all of Saturday Won't listen to excuses There is nothing you can say! She just WILL NOT GO AWAY! That's right! Upside, inside out! Livin' la vida Lynda Her in-tray never empties out Livin' la vida Lynda Her gaze is devil hot And her words as cold as winter She must put her paper out! Livin' la vida Lynda! All right! Livin la vida Lynda! Come on! LIVIN LA VIDA LYNDA! Yeah! LIVIN LA VIDA LYNDA! More to come.... Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 1 17:36:21 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 02:36:21 +1000 Subject: Pretty Fly... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000702005259.00899100@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <20000701081852.26269.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000702023621.0089eb00@mail.futureweb.com.au> This one's got a few hiccups, but I like it. Pretty Shy (And A Nice Guy) Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! And all the girlies say I'm pretty shy and a nice guy. Never ever ever, no matter what you say! Lynda's had her fair share Of assistants in the past But Julie is annoying And Spike just didn't last Now Kenny is quite geeky And some would say he lacks a spine But as assistant editor He really is so fine Now there's no debate, he is quite straight Doesn't matter what some people try to say He doesn't play the field, that ain't his deal Don't like to date, don't like to date He got his only squeeze Through a faked disease Listen, you know, Lynda always saying what she please But the world needs guys like him so Hey hey do that Kenny thing! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! And all the girlies say I'm pretty shy and a nice guy Now there's this girl who draws With her chalk, outside some flats He smells a brilliant story And he also digs her stats! Now soon they're sending letters He really is lovesick But after a few short months Well, she dumps him like a brick He just was too nice, and so she said no dice Girls don't want nice, yeah, no matter what they say But then Kelly rings, and they talk of things Were you dumped too? Were you dumped too? Well, they get along, although the number's wrong And then they go and fix it and she's forever gone The world screws him again! Hey Hey Do that Kenny thing! Now he wrote some cool tunes Yeah, just the stuff he likes But now his covers blown Cos there's Colin with a mike! Despite what Kenny thinks Colin wants him on the stage Posters and the T-shirts: Kenny - he's all the rage! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! Sing it for me Kenny No way! No way! Never ever ever, no matter what you say! But then he tries his hand and joins a band You know he really wanted it to go this way He plays so loud, really rocks the crowd He is a star, a big rock star Now the babes are hot He can have the lot Now they know he is more than just a swot The girls want guys like him The girls love guys like him Don't you just hate guys like him? Hey hey do the Kenny thing! From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 1 17:47:54 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 02:47:54 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Pretty Fly... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000702023621.0089eb00@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000702005259.00899100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <20000701081852.26269.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000702024754.0089d810@mail.futureweb.com.au> Damn, I can't even think of another good song to use. Well, that's enough from me - I'm sure your creative minds can produce many more. Cheers, Steve HTML URLS, OK? From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 1 18:18:38 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 03:18:38 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Idiot needing technical advice In-Reply-To: <008a01bfe2f3$f2173240$728b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000702031838.00897ca0@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 08:33 30/06/00 -0400, you wrote: >Those of you who are computer savvy, I have a problem. I'm getting an >e-mail error message when I try to mail out to addresses using aol.com or >ecn.net.au suffixes. The error message is this: "cannot check MX records >for recipient host." Any ideas? This is quite late, but it was probably a problem with the addressees' hosts. Try again in 24 hours. If it still doesn't work, I suggest blowing up the aol offices and killing everyone involved in their evil little company capitalistic opressors who feed off the blood of the workers the time of reckoning is now! Fly the Red Flag! Attica! Attica! ARRRRGHHHH! Steve, starting the red revolution From thlaylirah at geocities.com Sun Jul 2 13:37:48 2000 From: thlaylirah at geocities.com (Thlayli-rah) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 22:37:48 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Mmmm....filk References: <3.0.5.32.20000702013352.0089b560@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <395F379B.98BD55D9@geocities.com> > It struck me recently that this list is sorely missing the one true mark of > a long-term nutter fanbase: the collection of filk songs. Sometimes known > as song parodies, the Americans have now given their own name of "filk". > And dammit, it's about time we entered Press Gang into this lofty > institution and really established ourselves as fans. So without further > ado, I present the first (as far as I am aware) submission to the Press > Gang Song Book. > > Livin' La Vida Lynda *cracks up* I love it!!!!Oooo, now I'm just gonna have to do one too. :) *goes to find a song* ~Corby __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 1 18:39:38 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 03:39:38 +1000 Subject: Poor adjectives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000702033938.008965f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> >BTW, my mother has shed some light on the mystery of 'The Expanding One' (as Calum recently described Julia Sawalha): Julia is half-Jordanian on her father's side, and Arab women, as well as being much shorter than White women, are apparently *very* prone to getting a bit podgy and dumpy as they get older. That is, if you consider Lynda's figure dumpy or podgy. I certainly don't. Those are pretty lousy adjectives for someone who looks so...well, fabulous. Steve From prydonia at accn.org Sun Jul 2 02:45:07 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:45:07 -0400 Subject: [OT] Claire's revenge Message-ID: <003f01bfe3c7$2aef8300$0c8b78d8@prydonia> Those of you who've been on the list a while may remember Claire from Sydney who used to post here now and then and was one of my hosts in my travels. Claire got cheeky with me and sent me a present that arrived today and is now prominantly hanging on my bedroom door. I think Melissa will find it amusing, but I'll have to show it to her when she gets home from the hospital. What is it, you ask? A Britney Spears poster! With a nice post-it note inscribed "Here's your other girlfriend!" *Sigh* A gift that keeps on giving....my favorite. I took a picture of it, and I'll send it to you if it turns out, Claire. Kevin, who had a good laugh and is looking for a way to get Ms. Douglas back "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From simbasmaster at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 02:57:18 2000 From: simbasmaster at hotmail.com (lisa hewson) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:57:18 GMT Subject: [pressgang] Gotta Catch Em All! Message-ID: <20000702015718.68223.qmail@hotmail.com> NOW THAT WAS PRETTY DAMN FUNNY >From: "Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd." >Reply-To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [pressgang] Gotta Catch Em All! >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:02:36 +1000 > > > > Richard, don't even joke about this. I so want one of these now it's > > driving me crazy. MMmmmmm....anatomically correct Lynda > > doll...aurgurgurughgghhh (Homer drooling noises). > >"Oh, you *are* slime..." > >;-) > > > > > BTW, you forgot the Kenny doll - with guitar, pencil and removable >trousers > > (of course!). Also available - Jenny Elliot doll with Macton blazer and > > chalk outline. > >Don't forget the 'Angelo' doll - comes with extra body hair and carries >it's >own unique aroma. And the 'Julie' collectables, of course: you know, with >Lynda the cat, a goldfish bowl and bird all included - now you can kill all >of Julie's pets yourself! > >Additional costumes for characters sold separately - but who wouldn't buy >Lynda's nurse uniform or her 'Lucrecia' outfit? Or Colin's bunny suit? Or >Spike's gridiron uniform? Hours of amusement - and we're only just getting >started! > > > PS You could combine them with Pokemon also. "LYNDA-CHU I CHOOOOOSE >YOU!" > > All though the idea of Lynda and Spike fighting to the death in the >arena > > could be messy. > >LOL! > >Richard > > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jordang at bit.net.au Sun Jul 2 07:39:31 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:39:31 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Preeessss Gaaanng.... References: <3.0.5.32.20000702013352.0089b560@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <003901bfe3f0$4a397940$14b93ecb@pavilion> OK, OK, here's my effort at PG song-writing (try not to throw too many rotten tomatoes!) (Actually, US listees, you may not know the song this is based on....it's by a manufactured UK band called 'S Club 7' that I'm not sure would be very well-known over there...you're lucky!) 'Press Gang Party' Preesss Gaanng.... (There ain't no party like a Press Gang Party) Gonna eat some pizza... (While we're workin' on the next edition) Preeesss Gaanng... (There ain't no party like a Press Gang Party) Gonna eat some pizza... (While we're workin' on the next edition) Finally Thursday night We're eatin' pizza and feelin' all right Colin's late with the financial report While Sarah's stealing Tiddler's thoughts Hey! Claire's getting sacked (Claire's getting sacked) 'Cause she's been slack ('Cause she's been slack) Sam's gotta do the deed (She's gotta do the deed) But she don't wanna be the one to let her GO! Preeesss Gaaanng... (There ain't no party like a Press Gang Party) Gonna celebrate (Cause now it season 5 and it's Spike's 21st) Preeesss Gaaaanng.. (There ain't no party like a Press Gang Party) Gonna eat some cake (And do it all in the newsroom - Why???!!) Spike's just having some fun In the next episode Sarah'll be gone Lynda's trying some new party tricks But suggests 'We'd better get that noise fixed' Just then Colin storms in Seems Mr Winters' been having a fling So the party's done But the fun's just begun! 'Cause it seems Colin likes Lynda and "He's got a cute Bum"! Preeess Gaaanng... (There ain't no party like a Press Gang Party) Gonna have some fun (Make us laugh and make us cry!) Preeeess Gaaanng... (There ain't no party like a Press Gang Party) Our social lives equal none! (We're at the newsroom *all* the time!!!!) Thank you...thank you...! *ducks as someone throws an ashtray in his direction* :-) Richard From jordang at bit.net.au Sun Jul 2 07:52:15 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:52:15 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow References: Message-ID: <005501bfe3f2$0f416d00$14b93ecb@pavilion> > So go on then... suggestions people of which would be the BEST clip to > show. It has to be one (of course) with Julia in it *probably* not with > Dexter (due to the fact that it might upset her), but it has to be a scene > that would make someone who was not particularly a Julia to fan want to see > the entire episode of Press Gang - maybe even more programmes thereby > strengthing the ranks of the PG-inclined army. Hmmm...I reckon her first stint on 'Crazy Stuff' (if it has to be without Dexter, then just Julia by herself with 'a man who spends his time with his arm up an artificial cat' and 'a prat on wheels' would be pretty damn cool to show!) Of course, if Dexter was allowed to be included, there are any number of scenes you could include...their kiss in 'At Last a Dragon', a dramatic moment between them in 'The Last Word', their hilarious fight in 'Bad News', Lynda's opening speech in 'Head and Heart' with Spike yelling 'Take Five' at the end. Actually, you could probably just include that speech and cut the Spike bit out if you just wanted Julia by herself as well. Incidentally, could someone who *did* watch or tape Julia's appearance on the Big Breakfast please post to the list what you thought about it all - and of course details about what she looked like, what they asked her and which clip they ended up using? Thanks... Richard -- Spike: OK, how did you get it on my damn wrist? Lynda: You think that's clever? Check your underwear. From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 2 10:37:20 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:37:20 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow Message-ID: <026001bfe409$22538240$164b893e@default> -----Original Message----- From: Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd. To: Press Gang Mailing List Date: 02 July 2000 07:43 Subject: Re: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow >Incidentally, could someone who *did* watch or tape Julia's appearance on >the Big Breakfast please post to the list what you thought about it all - >and of course details about what she looked like, what they asked her and >which clip they ended up using? Thanks... Taped it. Haven't yet watched it. Will do so soon, and if it's any good I'll probably bung a transcription up soon-ish. David. -- This week I have been mostly reading: "The Space Age" by Steve Lyons. ICQ# 78909487 http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From head_overheels at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 15:32:08 2000 From: head_overheels at hotmail.com (Katarina Hjärpe) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 15:32:08 CEST Subject: [pressgang] Mmmm....filk Message-ID: <20000702133208.89599.qmail@hotmail.com> Great idea, great songs! I'm hoping to see much more of this! Also might try something myself, but no promises... Katta ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 2 14:46:01 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 23:46:01 +1000 Subject: Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <20000702133208.89599.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000702234601.00895720@mail.futureweb.com.au> I have just been playing around with Word and discovered the autosummarise tool. I have been summarising my writings down to 100 words or less. It's kind cool to see exactly what it picks out. Because I know what each word means, it sort of reads like one of the movie previes where they flash across all those scenes from the movie. Anyway, I liked it so I thought some of youse might like it also. This is the 100 word summary of Chapter 3: Sarah blushed. "Lynda?" "Lynda" "Lynda!" Right. "Lynda...", Spike growled. Excellent, he thought. Lynda. "Spike, you bastard! "How could you, Spike? "Lynda " Spike. Spike smiled. Lynda scowled. Spike sighed. "It's our story, Lynda. "Toni's." "What about Lynda?" "Spike's bringing her." Chrissy smiled. Chrissy finished. Chrissy joked. Chrissy laughed. "You're just in time." "In time for what?" Lynda stopped the taxi for the second time. "Lynda," said Spike decisively, "it's time to go back". If anyone is interested, I can post a similar thing for chapter four (almost done now) to give you a real "preview". Cheers, Steve From calum.junk at btinternet.com Sun Jul 2 14:58:42 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:58:42 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000702234601.00895720@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <000301bfe42d$a16e87e0$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > I have just been playing around with Word and discovered the autosummarise > tool. I have been summarising my writings down to 100 words or > less. Interestingly, I've just tried it on my 2-page CV (that's "resum?", for all you Americans out there), and it summarised my entire 7-year career, not to mention 4 years at university culminating in a first class honours degree, by popping up a message box saying "Word could find no text to summarise". Cheeri, Calum, now even more deeply resentful of Micro$**t's increasingly abysmal software than ever, and glad that he's off to work for Sun where he'll never need to use any again... --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 2 15:03:25 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:03:25 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <000301bfe42d$a16e87e0$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> References: <3.0.5.32.20000702234601.00895720@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703000325.008b2630@mail.futureweb.com.au> >Cheeri, >Calum, now even more deeply resentful of Micro$**t's increasingly abysmal >software than ever, and glad that he's off to work for Sun where he'll never >need to use any again... Mmmm....SUN...Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg Cheers, Steve, Stick-On Sex >--- >Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com >http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > From calum.junk at btinternet.com Sun Jul 2 15:10:20 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:10:20 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000703000325.008b2630@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <000601bfe42f$41e53740$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > Mmmm....SUN...Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg Well, (a) they have their own tennis courts, (b) I don't have to live in England any more, (c) they're not likely to get taken over and make me redundant again, and (d) they're paying me lots of money. (Oh, and their software is going to get much better now that I'm designing it, of course.) Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 2 15:10:01 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:10:01 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <000601bfe42f$41e53740$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> References: <3.0.5.32.20000703000325.008b2630@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703001001.008b45f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 03:10 2/07/00 +0100, you wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > >> Mmmm....SUN...Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg > >Well, (a) they have their own tennis courts, (b) I don't have to live in >England any more, (c) they're not likely to get taken over and make me >redundant again, and (d) they're paying me lots of money. (Oh, and their >software is going to get much better now that I'm designing it, of course.) Hey, I was being serious. God, I'd step over my own mother to use a Sun for two minutes, let alone WORK for them. So there's no need to convince me that this is a fantastic job. Makes me wish I knew the first thing about computers....and strangely enough, I did do two and a half years of Comp Sci at university.... Sigh. Steve From calum.junk at btinternet.com Sun Jul 2 15:17:59 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:17:59 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000703001001.008b45f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <000701bfe430$533971e0$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > Hey, I was being serious. God, I'd step over my own mother to use a Sun > for two minutes, let alone WORK for them. Oh, alright... sorry :o) > Makes me wish I knew the first thing about computers....and strangely enough, I > did do two and a half years of Comp Sci at university.... Oh, no need... most people who do my job are cognitive psychologists, erognomists, human factorsers (or whatever you call a human factors practitioner!) or graphic designers, so Computer Science isn't a pre-requisite... Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 2 15:17:46 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:17:46 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <000701bfe430$533971e0$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> References: <3.0.5.32.20000703001001.008b45f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703001746.008b1b50@mail.futureweb.com.au> >> Hey, I was being serious. God, I'd step over my own mother to use a Sun >> for two minutes, let alone WORK for them. > >Oh, alright... sorry :o) I find it very bizarre you thought I was not being serious....but then, it's a strange world full of strange people. >Oh, no need... most people who do my job are cognitive psychologists, >erognomists, human factorsers (or whatever you call a human factors >practitioner!) or graphic designers, so Computer Science isn't a >pre-requisite... Clearly, they'd be human factorizers. And now I must go to bed. Nigh-nighs. Steve From calum.junk at btinternet.com Sun Jul 2 15:25:40 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:25:40 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000703001746.008b1b50@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <000801bfe431$65feefc0$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > I find it very bizarre you thought I was not being serious....but then, > it's a strange world full of strange people. I've just never heard Homer say "Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg"... and it sounded like something he'd say in a derogatory fashion... And hey, strange as it may seem, some people like Micro$**t. But enough off-topicness... who can remember what sort of computer they had in the PG office? Cheeri, Calum. From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Sun Jul 2 16:32:02 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:32:02 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] OT Homer. Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Calum Benson [SMTP:calum.junk at btinternet.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 2:26 PM > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > > > I find it very bizarre you thought I was not being serious....but then, > > it's a strange world full of strange people. > > I've just never heard Homer say "Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg"... and it sounded > like something he'd say in a derogatory fashion... > Ah, I can help you there, Calum - if not with anything else. I believe "Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg" is Steve's phonetic spelling of the gurgling-type noise Homer (or Mindy) makes when thinking of something tasty e.g. "Mmm, burger." "Mmm, chocolate." "Mmm, something," Cameene. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 2 15:34:09 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:34:09 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] OT Homer. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703003409.008068a0@mail.futureweb.com.au> >> >> I've just never heard Homer say "Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg"... and it sounded >> like something he'd say in a derogatory fashion... >> > Ah, I can help you there, Calum - if not with anything else. I >believe "Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg" is Steve's phonetic spelling of the >gurgling-type noise Homer (or Mindy) makes when thinking of something tasty >e.g. > > "Mmm, burger." > "Mmm, chocolate." > "Mmm, something," > > Cameene. I was about to leave and I got pulled back. So I can confirm this. I was going to explain it, but I explained it last time I wrote it (mmmm....anatomically correct Lynda doll) and what else does Homer say after he says Mmmm....something? Cameene gets a gold star for paying attention. And strange looks for paying attention to *me*.... ;) Steve, promising he'll stop being OT now. From calum.junk at btinternet.com Sun Jul 2 15:42:00 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:42:00 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] OT Homer. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000703003409.008068a0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <000901bfe433$ade9a9e0$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > I was about to leave and I got pulled back. So I can confirm this. I was > going to explain it, but I explained it last time I wrote it > (mmmm....anatomically correct Lynda doll) and what else does Homer say > after he says Mmmm....something? He doesn't say anything after that, any time I've seen him, which is what threw me... Cheeri, Calum. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 2 15:46:32 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:46:32 +1000 Subject: More filk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703004632.008188e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> This one is not all mine, but it's so apt to all mailing lists.... OT! (to the tune of Rawhide!) (postin postin postin) (postin postin postin) They keep postin', postin', postin', Though the bandwiths swollen, Keep that email rollin', OT! Don't try to understand 'em, Just read 'em, scan, and trash 'em. This topic's has gone so far and wide. My finger's are a twitchin', We're tired of all this bitchin', My MS Outlook just went up and died. Send 'em on, type 'em up, Type 'em up, send 'em on, Send 'em on, type 'em up, OT! Send 'em up, get 'em in, Fire 'em off, chew 'em out, Cut 'em up, throw 'em off, OT! (postin postin postin) (postin postin postin)YAH! (postin postin postin)YAH! (postin postin postin)YAH! OT!!! They keep movin' movin' movin' Though we're disapprovin', That email keeps on movin', OT! Through scorn and plead and filter, You'll get my post on Hitler, And that meaningless aside. Descriptions of the weather; Threads gone on forever - The original point is lost from sight Send 'em on, type 'em up, Type 'em up, send 'em on, Send 'em on, type 'em up, OT! Send 'em up, get 'em in, Fire 'em off, chew 'em out, Cut 'em up, throw 'em off, OT! (postin postin postin) (postin postin postin)YAH! (postin postin postin)YAH! (postin postin postin)YAH! OT!!! YAH! Ohh Teeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! YAH!!!! From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 2 16:46:31 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:46:31 +1000 Subject: Lyndawocky In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000703004632.008188e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703014631.008b22c0@mail.futureweb.com.au> This one is all my own work. I hope it amuses. Lyndawocky T'was Tiddler, and the KD Plus Did Sullivan and Winter in the Frazz All Kenny were the Bullivants And Tippex with the Gaz Beware the Lyndawock my son! The Crazy Stuff, the football match! Beware the Charlotte-Bird and shun The Zectron briefcase snatch! So took his Norbridge sword in hand Long that Mathews foe he sought Then David came, and Whatsisname And pings could then be bought And as in Sherrington he stood The Lyndawock with Zoe flame Came Kerring through the Jason Wood And Queela'd as it came Disco! Info! And to and fro! The Norbridge blade went Sam Black! He chopped its necks, and with Colonel X He went Xeroxing back And hast thou slain the Lyndawock? Come to my arms, my Ashtray boy! Oh Macton day! Monday-Tuesday! He Garfield in his joy. Twas Tiddler, and the KD Plus Did Sullivan and Winter in the Frazz All Kenny were the Bullivants And Tippex with the Gaz From prydonia at accn.org Sun Jul 2 19:11:59 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:11:59 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <00b501bfe451$06ead380$8b8b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 2, 2000 Lynda: Kenny, I want your opinion on something. Kenny: Yes. Lynda: What do you mean "yes"? Kenny: That's usually the opinion you want. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 3 01:02:37 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:02:37 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) References: <3.0.5.32.20000702234601.00895720@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <002f01bfe482$006406e0$cab93ecb@pavilion> > Sarah blushed. "Lynda?" > "Lynda" > "Lynda!" > Right. "Lynda...", Spike growled. > Excellent, he thought. Lynda. "Spike, you bastard! "How could you, > Spike? "Lynda." Seems even your software programs have an obsession with Lynda, Steve....! ;-) Richard From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 3 01:07:17 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:07:17 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lyndawocky References: <3.0.5.32.20000703014631.008b22c0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <003c01bfe482$a7088ca0$cab93ecb@pavilion> ...very...VERY...cool...! That one especially should be whacked up on your page! Richard P.S. What is 'Filk' meant to stand for? Is it an acronym? An abbreviation? I'm actually quite curious about this... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Darlington" To: "Press Gang Mailing List" Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: [pressgang] Lyndawocky > > This one is all my own work. I hope it amuses. > > Lyndawocky > > T'was Tiddler, and the KD Plus > Did Sullivan and Winter in the Frazz > All Kenny were the Bullivants > And Tippex with the Gaz > > Beware the Lyndawock my son! > The Crazy Stuff, the football match! > Beware the Charlotte-Bird and shun > The Zectron briefcase snatch! > > So took his Norbridge sword in hand > Long that Mathews foe he sought > Then David came, and Whatsisname > And pings could then be bought > > And as in Sherrington he stood > The Lyndawock with Zoe flame > Came Kerring through the Jason Wood > And Queela'd as it came > > Disco! Info! And to and fro! > The Norbridge blade went Sam Black! > He chopped its necks, and with Colonel X > He went Xeroxing back > > And hast thou slain the Lyndawock? > Come to my arms, my Ashtray boy! > Oh Macton day! Monday-Tuesday! > He Garfield in his joy. > > Twas Tiddler, and the KD Plus > Did Sullivan and Winter in the Frazz > All Kenny were the Bullivants > And Tippex with the Gaz > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > From claire at uts.edu.au Mon Jul 3 01:29:19 2000 From: claire at uts.edu.au (Claire D) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:29:19 +1000 Subject: [OT] Claire's revenge References: <003f01bfe3c7$2aef8300$0c8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <395FDE5F.1E5DBCDF@uts.edu.au> Kevin Nauta wrote: > Those of you who've been on the list a while may remember Claire from Sydney > who used to post here now and then and was one of my hosts in my travels. I'm still on the list, just a bit behind with the digests. I'm up to early June now. > Claire got cheeky with me and sent me a present that arrived today and is > now prominantly hanging on my bedroom door. Did I force you to hang it prominently on your bedroom door? ;-) > I think Melissa will find it amusing, but I'll have to show it to her when she > gets home from the > hospital. Put it up in her hospital room and bring some joy to everyone. > A Britney Spears poster! With a nice post-it note inscribed "Here's your > other girlfriend!" My next package is the set of darts to go with it... > Kevin, who had a good laugh and is looking for a way to get Ms. Douglas back You could always hide my passport... but I'd better find it before September! Claire From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 3 01:49:07 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:49:07 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: [OT] Claire's revenge In-Reply-To: <395FDE5F.1E5DBCDF@uts.edu.au> References: <003f01bfe3c7$2aef8300$0c8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000703104827.024d56c0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Claire, >You could always hide my passport... but I'd better find it before September! *** That would not be hard. You would have a pretty good idea of where to look, wouldn't you?...*grin* Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.mooquack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 3 01:48:04 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:48:04 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lyndawocky In-Reply-To: <003c01bfe482$a7088ca0$cab93ecb@pavilion> References: <3.0.5.32.20000703014631.008b22c0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000703104635.024d5420@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Richard, >P.S. What is 'Filk' meant to stand for? Is it an acronym? An abbreviation? >I'm actually quite curious about this... From www.filk.com .... ---------- The word filk was coined many years ago. The legend says that, as part of the entertainment during the judging at a convention masquerade, some people were going to get up on stage and do some science fiction folksinging. Well, the program book had a typo. The phrase filk singing was born. The easiest way to explain filksinging is to say that it's science fiction folksinging. But some things are filk that don't fit that category, and some things that might seem to fit in don't. ---------- Hope that helps. Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.mooquack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From simbasmaster at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 12:37:56 2000 From: simbasmaster at hotmail.com (lisa hewson) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:37:56 GMT Subject: [pressgang] OT Homer. Message-ID: <20000703113756.887.qmail@hotmail.com> homer would also say ( not that im a bigger fan of it than the pg ) mmmmm....nothing mmmmm....something mmmmm....doughnuts mmmmm....beer mmmmm....fattening mmmmm....pressgang (hack hack...cough)...mmmmmm...entertaining heheh >From: "Calum Benson" >Reply-To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >Subject: RE: [pressgang] OT Homer. >Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:42:00 +0100 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > > > I was about to leave and I got pulled back. So I can confirm this. I >was > > going to explain it, but I explained it last time I wrote it > > (mmmm....anatomically correct Lynda doll) and what else does Homer say > > after he says Mmmm....something? > >He doesn't say anything after that, any time I've seen him, which is what >threw me... > >Cheeri, >Calum. > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From simbasmaster at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 12:43:41 2000 From: simbasmaster at hotmail.com (lisa hewson) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:43:41 GMT Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) Message-ID: <20000703114341.14809.qmail@hotmail.com> hi steve, im doing some comp sci at uni at the moment . Not going too well though , how did you handle it? I cant believe that people are still liking the press gang after so many years ...ahh well ...we just cant get enough of repeats eh? >From: Steve Darlington >Reply-To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >Subject: RE: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic >(all two of you) >Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:10:01 +1000 > >At 03:10 2/07/00 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > > > >> Mmmm....SUN...Aurgururrgrgrgrggggg > > > >Well, (a) they have their own tennis courts, (b) I don't have to live in > >England any more, (c) they're not likely to get taken over and make me > >redundant again, and (d) they're paying me lots of money. (Oh, and their > >software is going to get much better now that I'm designing it, of >course.) > >Hey, I was being serious. God, I'd step over my own mother to use a Sun >for two minutes, let alone WORK for them. So there's no need to convince >me that this is a fantastic job. Makes me wish I knew the first thing >about computers....and strangely enough, I did do two and a half years of >Comp Sci at university.... > >Sigh. >Steve > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 3 13:31:28 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:31:28 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <20000703114341.14809.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703223128.00898bc0@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 11:43 3/07/00 GMT, you wrote: >hi steve, >im doing some comp sci at uni at the moment . Not going too well though , >how did you handle it? I have no idea. I seriously cannot remember anything of what I learnt studied or did academically for any of the four years I was at uni. People often say they can't remember university because of the drugs, but it's got nothing to do with drugs. You leave the campus, and it's all gone in about three months. And that fills me with such abject horror it is almost impossible to bear. So my advice is to ignore it or at least not take it very seriously. I seem to remember that's what I did a lot. I spent most of my second year CS lectures summarising Star Trek plots in the margins of my lecture pads. Sigh. The greatest four years of my life. I think I'm going to cry now. Steve, still getting over university separation anxiety. (actually, leaving uni isn't the worst part. Then you have to get a job, which is just adding insult to injury. Shudder. Stay in School, people!) From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 3 13:43:26 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:43:26 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow In-Reply-To: <005501bfe3f2$0f416d00$14b93ecb@pavilion> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703224326.008aa310@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 04:52 2/07/00 +1000, you wrote: > >> So go on then... suggestions people of which would be the BEST clip to >> show. It has to be one (of course) with Julia in it *probably* not with >> Dexter (due to the fact that it might upset her), but it has to be a scene >> that would make someone who was not particularly a Julia to fan want to >see >> the entire episode of Press Gang - maybe even more programmes thereby >> strengthing the ranks of the PG-inclined army. > >Hmmm...I reckon her first stint on 'Crazy Stuff' (if it has to be without >Dexter, then just Julia by herself with 'a man who spends his time with his >arm up an artificial cat' and 'a prat on wheels' would be pretty damn cool >to show!) I was racking my brains to come up with one moment which was just Lynda, yet summed up PG. This is definitely it. Not only is it great Moffat verbiage and a great Lynda moment, it also defines PG - the anti-kids show. Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 3 14:02:41 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:02:41 +1000 Subject: An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <003c01bfe482$a7088ca0$cab93ecb@pavilion> References: <3.0.5.32.20000703014631.008b22c0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000703230241.008ac400@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 10:07 3/07/00 +1000, you wrote: > >...very...VERY...cool...! > >That one especially should be whacked up on your page! Thanks Rich! I'll put it up (along with the filk songs and the untrue trivia too maybe) once Chapter Four is done. Anway, on to my idea: Those who have been on list more than a month will recall our incredibly stimulating (and loud and long) about Press Gang without its central cast. But it recently struck me that we were considering the full deal - all in or all out. A lot of shows keep things going by removing just one or two characters, and pushing others into the limelight. Water Rats is a perfect example for Aussie audiences. When the show began, Colin Friels and Catherine McClements were the stars. Then slowly they phased in Steve Bisley as a sidekick, then Catherine's partner. Then Colin left and Catherine left in quick succession and Steve Bisely became the star. They gave him two new officers to work with, and now those three are the center of things. The show survives as the same show because the minor characters are the same, which preserves the universe. It feels like an organic progression. So....what say, at the end of Series 2, or the start of 3, things go differently. Lynda gets given an amazing job in America, and with Spike gone, has little reason to stay around. After a guest appearance in episode 1 of series 3, she leaves the show. A new editor is appointed - a brand new character. A few other new characters are added - new graphics head, for example. And now, we have Press Gang. Same writer, same setting, same plots, same characters....but with a new lead character. Or perhaps the editor stops being the principal character. Maybe it focuses on Kenny, Sam, Colin, Julie and Sarah more. Maybe it's just constantly like those Sarah and Colin eps with hardly any Spike and Lynda. Now that....that would still be Press Gang, I feel. Gutted, and eventually a completely different PG, but still PG. A nice middle ground - not quite PG the New Class, but still new life. Ummm...I'm rambling cos I'm tired. But anyway - thoughts? Inferences? Steve From head_overheels at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 15:24:44 2000 From: head_overheels at hotmail.com (Katarina Hjärpe) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:24:44 CEST Subject: Flintstone filk Message-ID: <20000703132444.884.qmail@hotmail.com> Okay, here's a try. I apologize for cheating on the rhyme; I tried a couple of actual rhymes but they just sounded bad. And what the heck anyway, the original Flintstone song rhymes family and history. Lynda Meet our Lynda She's the modern teenage high school girl From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 3 14:26:05 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:26:05 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Flintstone filk Message-ID: <00f601bfe4f2$40b22ae0$3cda883e@default> -----Original Message----- From: Katarina Hj?rpe To: pressgang at lists.yoyo.org Date: 03 July 2000 14:24 Subject: [pressgang] Flintstone filk >Okay, here's a try. I apologize for cheating on the rhyme; I tried a couple >of actual rhymes but they just sounded bad. And what the heck anyway, the >original Flintstone song rhymes family and history. > >Lynda >Meet our Lynda >She's the modern teenage high school girl >From the show of Press Gang >She's the bitch that can control the world >Let's go to the Junior Gazette >Fire hasn't ruined it quite yet >When you're with our Lynda >You are likely to be yelled at >But we can tell that >You'll have a great ol' time! Yabbadabbadoo. David. -- This week I have been mostly reading: "Revelations of Divine Love" by Julian of Norwich. ICQ# 78909487 http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From quinlanmd at ftnetwork.com Mon Jul 3 18:07:39 2000 From: quinlanmd at ftnetwork.com (quinlanmd@ftnetwork.com) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:07:39 -0700 Subject: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow Message-ID: <055572909170370MAIL001@mail001> ********************************************* jordang at bit.net.au wrote on 7/2/00 6:52:15 AM ********************************************* Incidentally, could someone who *did* watch or tape Julia's appearance on the Big Breakfast please post to the list what you thought about it all - and of course details about what she looked like, what they asked her and which clip they ended up using? Thanks... Richard -- I'm sure others will give you a better account, but Julia looked tired, as one might expect given that she was in from the 7am start. I can't recall the PG clip (it wasn't one of the better ones). Her reaction to the clip was disappointing, and seemed to give the impression that she wasn't too thrilled to be seeing work from 10+ years ago. Did others get the same impression, or was I reading too much into this? Martin. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Get your free e-mail account with *unlimited* storage at http://www.ftnetwork.com Visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com From calum.junk at btinternet.com Mon Jul 3 18:09:24 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:09:24 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two ofyou) In-Reply-To: <20000703114341.14809.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <000801bfe511$7005db60$3643063e@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: lisa hewson [mailto:simbasmaster at hotmail.com] > im doing some comp sci at uni at the moment . Not going too well though , > how did you handle it? I survived my four years of computer science by being a complete and utter swot, being teetotal, and not making any friends... I wouldn't recommend that approach! (I did get a swotty first class honours degree at the end of it, though, which was always something.) Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 3 17:50:28 2000 From: aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk (L...h J...i) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:50:28 +0600 Subject: [pressgang] An interesting idea References: <001801bf8ab6$a362b7e0$02012cc3@home> Message-ID: <00f201bfe51a$2f30c920$4b29893e@default> It was interesting in 'Windfall' where they pushed Spike and Lynda firmly into the background and allowed Colin and Julie into the limelight. Their 'date' was quite amusing and provided some really funny moments but I quickly found myself missing Spike and Lynda. I don't know what most people think of WF. As in every episode, there are some nice touches, like the insight into Julie's taste in men, and the incidental music is wicked. But on the whole I feel it was a great idea that didn't really work. So I say 'Pooh!' to PG without the 'central cast'. L...h - - - - - - - - - - From: Those who have been on list more than a month will recall our incredibly stimulating (and loud and long) about Press Gang without its central cast. But it recently struck me that we were considering the full deal - all in or all out. A lot of shows keep things going by removing just one or two characters, and pushing others into the limelight. Water Rats is a perfect example for Aussie audiences. When the show began, Colin Friels and Catherine McClements were the stars. Then slowly they phased in Steve Bisley as a sidekick, then Catherine's partner. Then Colin left and Catherine left in quick succession and Steve Bisely became the star. They gave him two new officers to work with, and now those three are the center of things. The show survives as the same show because the minor characters are the same, which preserves the universe. It feels like an organic progression. So....what say, at the end of Series 2, or the start of 3, things go differently. Lynda gets given an amazing job in America, and with Spike gone, has little reason to stay around. After a guest appearance in episode 1 of series 3, she leaves the show. A new editor is appointed - a brand new character. A few other new characters are added - new graphics head, for example. And now, we have Press Gang. Same writer, same setting, same plots, same characters....but with a new lead character. Or perhaps the editor stops being the principal character. Maybe it focuses on Kenny, Sam, Colin, Julie and Sarah more. Maybe it's just constantly like those Sarah and Colin eps with hardly any Spike and Lynda. Now that....that would still be Press Gang, I feel. Gutted, and eventually a completely different PG, but still PG. A nice middle ground - not quite PG the New Class, but still new life. From prydonia at accn.org Tue Jul 4 02:58:50 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:58:50 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <005501bfe55b$85509a60$988b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 3, 2000 Spike, on the subject of Lynda: "Hey, is it true you swear box takes American Express?" "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From clarian101 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 4 22:35:29 2000 From: clarian101 at hotmail.com (Miss Parker) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:35:29 EST Subject: Moonlighting (and OT b'day) Message-ID: <20000704063529.18417.qmail@hotmail.com> Being way behind, I have just read this: On 10 Jun 2000, Bel-Imperia wrote: >Moonlighting (and I still remember >the Taming of The Shrew episode fondly) I still have this on video, taped from TV the first time it screened. Love Willis' big entrance on horse (both wearing sunglasses): "What's shaking, y'all?" And the shelves labelled "Throwing vases" for Cybill. Claire (who had her b'day on Saturday but was away from computers so couldn't post about it to receive the obligatory "No it isn't!") ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From simbasmaster at hotmail.com Tue Jul 4 09:44:01 2000 From: simbasmaster at hotmail.com (lisa hewson) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:44:01 GMT Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two ofyou) Message-ID: <20000704084401.27888.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Calum Benson" >Reply-To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >Subject: RE: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic >(all two ofyou) >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:09:24 +0100 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lisa hewson [mailto:simbasmaster at hotmail.com] > > > im doing some comp sci at uni at the moment . Not going too well though >, > > how did you handle it? > >I survived my four years of computer science by being a complete and utter >swot, being teetotal, and not making any friends... I wouldn't recommend >that approach! (I did get a swotty first class honours degree at the end >of >it, though, which was always something.) > >Cheeri, >Calum. > >--- >Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com >http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > YEAH thanx, i can see now how im going down that road , but i dont think that is me who is the only swot , they all are ...oh well since ive just joined this list , who is every ones favourite character? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk Tue Jul 4 20:41:49 2000 From: lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk (Lesley Thomson) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:41:49 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) References: <000801bfe431$65feefc0$4f4e01d5@calumslaptop> Message-ID: <014701bfe5f0$782278a0$afb489d4@iyu87> > And hey, strange as it may seem, some people like Micro$**t. But enough > off-topicness... who can remember what sort of computer they had in the PG > office? > > Cheeri, > Calum. I give up, what kind of computer did they have in the PG office? From calum.junk at btinternet.com Tue Jul 4 21:02:25 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:02:25 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <014701bfe5f0$782278a0$afb489d4@iyu87> Message-ID: <003101bfe5f2$c5bff040$3643063e@calumslaptop> > -----Original Message----- > From: Lesley Thomson [mailto:lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk] > > And hey, strange as it may seem, some people like Micro$**t. But enough > > off-topicness... who can remember what sort of computer they > had in the PG > > office? > > I give up, what kind of computer did they have in the PG office? I can't remember, actually... I would go and dig out my tapes to check, but I've packed them all up ready for moving house. Probably an Apple ][ or a BBC in those days, I would have thought... it definitely wasn't a Commodore PET, from what I remember. Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From prydonia at accn.org Wed Jul 5 10:24:27 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:24:27 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <000301bfe662$d94933e0$168b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 5, 2000 Lynda: I'm thinking of habits I'm wanting to kick. Spike: So I'm a habit already? Lynda: You're something I'm wanting to kick. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From matts at yoyo.org Wed Jul 5 11:22:09 2000 From: matts at yoyo.org (Matt Saunders) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:22:09 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Something which may interest readers of my fanfic (all two of you) In-Reply-To: <003101bfe5f2$c5bff040$3643063e@calumslaptop>; from calum.junk@btinternet.com on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 09:02:25PM +0100 References: <014701bfe5f0$782278a0$afb489d4@iyu87> <003101bfe5f2$c5bff040$3643063e@calumslaptop> Message-ID: <20000705112209.A58075@yoyo.org> On Jul 04, Calum Benson wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lesley Thomson [mailto:lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk] > > > > And hey, strange as it may seem, some people like Micro$**t. But enough > > > off-topicness... who can remember what sort of computer they > > had in the PG > > > office? > > > > I give up, what kind of computer did they have in the PG office? > > I can't remember, actually... I would go and dig out my tapes to check, but > I've packed them all up ready for moving house. Probably an Apple ][ or a > BBC in those days, I would have thought... it definitely wasn't a Commodore > PET, from what I remember. Amstrad PC1512 or PC1640 if I recall correctly... -- matts at yoyo.org "I've got to get to realise, http://www.yoyo.org/ That you don't feel for me" - Lee Ross and The Gift From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Wed Jul 5 16:01:05 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:01:05 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] Now ON Topic Giles is not British Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Cox [SMTP:t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au] > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:52 AM > > > >I know that he supports the England football team - Alyson Hannigan let > that > >slip in an interview she did on her recent trip over here - she must be > very > >much in love, as she brought her boyfriend into every single interview > she > >did without fail. Aw bless. > > *** Or blech. > Oh *definitely* blech! When Dexter and Julia were still in theire lovey-dovey phase and she was becoming famous for 'Absolutely Fabulous', she had a tendency to bring Dexter along on her interviews. The most cringe-ing time was on 'The Word' when he was brought out of the audience and then spent the time clutching her hand. Oh, and there was that time on 'Going Live', too. Eurgh! Of course, this is all going by memory, at the time, I'm SURE I thought it incredibly sweet and lovely and was absolutely adamant that I would NOT tape over them - which I probably have because I can't find them. I do remember Dexter was interviewed once and he didn't bring Julia along so I thought: "What's THAT about?" Maybe she was in the audience - it was before 'Ab Fab'. Incidentally, Julia and Dexter started dating on a Valentine's Day when they went for drinks after work. Apparently, they'd held off before because they'd be dating other people. I remember reading something about Dexter saying he pulled Julia to one side and said something like "This is ME kissing you now, not Spike," and then they kissed - so it *was* some time after they had been snogging on screen. Cameene Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Wed Jul 5 17:49:35 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:49:35 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: quinlanmd at ftnetwork.com [SMTP:quinlanmd at ftnetwork.com] > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 5:08 PM > > Incidentally, could someone who *did* watch or tape Julia's appearance on > the Big Breakfast please post to the list what you thought about it all - > and of course details about what she looked like, what they asked her and > which clip they ended up using? Thanks... > > Richard > > -- > I'm sure others will give you a better account, but Julia looked tired, as > one might expect given that she was in from the 7am start. I can't recall > the PG clip (it wasn't one of the better ones). > > Her reaction to the clip was disappointing, and seemed to give the > impression that she wasn't too thrilled to be seeing work from 10+ years > ago. Did others get the same impression, or was I reading too much into > this? > > Martin. > Nope, you weren't reading too much into to (in my opinion) she did look a bit, well, "peeved" - for want of a better word. The clip they used DID have Spike in it. It was the one from "Head and Heart" where Spike is trying to find out if Lynda has remembered his birthday ("Almost *exactly* a while.") I HATED the way the crew did the forced laugh at the end of it. Maybe *that's* why she was peeved. Ooh, "tight-lipped" there's something else she was. When Liza started making comments about other cast members and then about "Ab Fab", I cringed at the face Julia made, rewound the tape and ejected it. Can't remember what she was wearing - I think it was a cleavage-showing red top and some kind of gray leggings, maybe. I just wanted to see which clip they would use (incidentally, they didn't get if from Channel 4, I can tell!!). She did hang around 'til the end of the show and did some stuff with Mel C, had some reaction shots - like they usually do when the guests stay around during other items and participated in the Friday sing-a-long at the end of the show. Sorry, I have no details because I was watching the whole thing in rewind until I got to the clip. I love this keyboard. Everyone buy a "QuietKey". So ergonomic! (That's one for Calum - sort of.) Cameene Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk Wed Jul 5 20:37:03 2000 From: lesley.thomson0 at virginnet.co.uk (Lesley Thomson) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:37:03 +0100 Subject: CALLING ALL LIBRARIANS! (VERY OT - SORRY) Message-ID: <011301bfe6b8$af564220$8af389d4@iyu87> According to the June Demography there are at least 2 librarians out there - would you be willing to make yourselves known to me? Off list if you prefer. I am due to start a Post Grad degree in Information and Library Studies in September and am looking for a bit of advice. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000705/16e2f1ea/attachment.htm From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Thu Jul 6 03:22:45 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:22:45 +1000 Subject: [ot] Dave? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000706122245.0088ae90@mail.futureweb.com.au> Hello David Brider. Can you give me an eta on your thoughts on what I sent you? Or just acknowledge that you got it? I'm posting this on list in case my offlist post didn't reach you. Reply off-list though. Steve From jordang at bit.net.au Thu Jul 6 09:15:15 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:15:15 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Now ON Topic Giles is not British References: Message-ID: <001901bfe722$5216e640$582bd7d2@pavilion> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameene Pitters" To: "'Press Gang Mailing List'" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:01 AM > I remember reading something about > Dexter saying he pulled Julia to one side and said something like "This is > ME kissing you now, not Spike," Oh that is *such* a Press Gang-ish thing to do! Cool if it's true, though... Richard From jordang at bit.net.au Thu Jul 6 09:23:58 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:23:58 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow References: Message-ID: <001f01bfe723$88e8e820$582bd7d2@pavilion> > Nope, you weren't reading too much into to (in my opinion) she did > look a bit, well, "peeved" - for want of a better word. The clip they used > DID have Spike in it. It was the one from "Head and Heart" where Spike is > trying to find out if Lynda has remembered his birthday ("Almost *exactly* a > while.") I HATED the way the crew did the forced laugh at the end of it. > Maybe *that's* why she was peeved. Ooh, "tight-lipped" there's something > else she was. When Liza started making comments about other cast members > and then about "Ab Fab", I cringed at the face Julia made, rewound the tape > and ejected it. Well, maybe she's just one of those people who hates seeing herself on-screen in front of a lot of people? Like she gets embarrassed or something? I can't see why she'd be peeved just because they showed a PG clip. It *was* the show that catapulted her to 'Ab Fab' status in the first place, so I hardly think she ought to be ashamed of it. I guess a range of factors would have been involved in making her pull a face: the crew fake laughter as Cameene said, seeing Dexter again, seeing work that's about 7 years old now - and maybe the reason I mentioned above as well. Who knows? Let's hope she's not just sick of Press Gang! (Good God! The Very Idea!) Richard From prydonia at accn.org Thu Jul 6 10:16:48 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:16:48 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <000301bfe72a$ed078940$a08b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 6, 2000 Danny: Lynda, what was wrong with my pictures for the center spread? Lynda: Danny, I liked them---just not very much. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Thu Jul 6 13:30:11 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:30:11 -0000 Subject: (UK) Charlie Creed-Miles Message-ID: Bought my 'Evening Standard' today and unfolded it to find Charlie on the front cover of the "Hot Tickets". His new film 'Essex boys' opens on Friday the 14th of July. In his two-page spread, it was mentioned that he is now 28 years old, and "Leaving school at 16, despite passing his GCSEs, Creed-Miles pursued his career in acting, soon landing a role in the popular kids' show Press Gang." They mention him being in 'Let Him Have It', 'Fifth Element', 'Drop The Dead Donkey'(!) and 'Nil By Mouth', but there is no mention of him being in 'Second Thoughts' (or was it 'Faith In The Future'? I can't remember if he came before or after Simon Pegg from 'Spaced' - must be before). Apparently, his daughter is called Esme (aaah! great name, but it doesn't beat this bloke I used to work with who named his daughter Ava Polly which I have reason to believe is a perfect name) and she was born in February - a GREAT month to be born in, in *my* opnion. Also, apparently, he and Samantha Morton split up just after February, but they're back together now. Oh wait, Lucy Benjamin is in 'Eastenders', you all knew that; but did you see Angela Bruce in it on Tuesday(?) arresting that bloke? Soon actors from 'Press Gang' in 'Eastenders' will be outnumbering actors from 'Grange Hill' (is that possible?!!). Cameene - on the cutting edge of news. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From quinlanmd at ftnetwork.com Thu Jul 6 15:00:22 2000 From: quinlanmd at ftnetwork.com (quinlanmd@ftnetwork.com) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:00:22 -0700 Subject: [pressgang] Julia on Channel 4's Big Breakfast tomorrow Message-ID: <01de64710140670EMAIL002@email002> ********************************************* jordang at bit.net.au wrote on 7/6/00 8:23:58 AM ********************************************* > Nope, you weren't reading too much into to (in my opinion) she did > look a bit, well, "peeved" - for want of a better word. The clip they used > DID have Spike in it. It was the one from "Head and Heart" where Spike is > trying to find out if Lynda has remembered his birthday ("Almost *exactly* a > while.") I HATED the way the crew did the forced laugh at the end of it. > Maybe *that's* why she was peeved. Ooh, "tight-lipped" there's something > else she was. When Liza started making comments about other cast members > and then about "Ab Fab", I cringed at the face Julia made, rewound the tape > and ejected it. Well, maybe she's just one of those people who hates seeing herself on-screen in front of a lot of people? Like she gets embarrassed or something? I can't see why she'd be peeved just because they showed a PG clip. It *was* the show that catapulted her to 'Ab Fab' status in the first place, so I hardly think she ought to be ashamed of it. I guess a range of factors would have been involved in making her pull a face: the crew fake laughter as Cameene said, seeing Dexter again, seeing work that's about 7 years old now - and maybe the reason I mentioned above as well. Who knows? Let's hope she's not just sick of Press Gang! (Good God! The Very Idea!) Richard -- My initial feeling was that the latter two applied. To be fair to Julia, I'm not sure I'd like to see now any of the uni work I did in the early 90s (I think I remember doing *some* work in between pub visits). Martin ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Get your free e-mail account with *unlimited* storage at http://www.ftnetwork.com Visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 7 00:56:49 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:56:49 +1000 Subject: Piano Man In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000707095649.008789b0@mail.futureweb.com.au> A song about the list. Sorry to all those who didn't end up in the lyrics - it's just representative. And besides I wrote it at work so I couldn't remember all of you....and it's also necessary to find people who's syllables fit the song. Anyway, enjoy. PG Gang. (to the tune of "Piano Man", apologies to Billy Joel) It's 2am on a Friday night I click on the box marked "In" Sure enough there's some emails there Like a Quote of the Day from Kevin And he's waffling about his Melissa How it's funny just where life goes While Katie Bird rants about Dexter's tight pants And Cameene critiques Tiddler's bright clothes. La la la, de de da La la, de de da da da Sing us a song, we're the PG gang Sing a filk song tonight We're all in the mood for some email It makes us feel alright Now Trav from down south is a friend of mine He posts are always funny He's quick with a joke, and has pictures of us folk Up on his website to see And Bec screams "Steve, you are killing me" "You're just so unbelievably wrong" And we post oh so often and eventually I soften And say 'yeah, you were right all along' Oh, la la la, de de da La la, de de da da da Now Calum is a hunky exiled Scotsman Who hasn't yet found him a wife And he's chatting to Eavan, about episode seven And what Kelda's done with her life And David is practicing sophistics While Maya describes us her home Yes we're sharing a bond we call Press Gang It's better than watching alone Sing us a song, we're the PG gang Sing a filk song tonight We're all in the mood for some email It makes us feel alright There's a pretty big pile for a weeknight And Richard has made us all smile We know that its silly but we like to go OT And talk about life for a while And the email it sounds like a carnival As we talk of our hopes and our fears We share more, you know, than our love for a show And our hatred of Brittany Spears Sing us a song, we're the PG gang Sing a filk song, tonight We're all in the mood for some email It makes us feel alright. From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:23:26 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Piano Man Message-ID: <20000707132326.5393.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Hey this song was so funny to read...I LMAO and I hope more of your talent will be shared with us thanks for tputting me in a great mood...Melissa in the US ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 7 15:43:14 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:43:14 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Piano Man In-Reply-To: <20000707132326.5393.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000708004314.00871890@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 06:23 7/07/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey this song was so funny to read...I LMAO and I hope >more of your talent will be shared with us thanks for >tputting me in a great mood...Melissa in the US Thankee kindly. BTW, the mention of Bec in that song should have been Bel, referring to the Sarah argument we had. No offence, Bec, as we also had the odd belter, but yeah, meant to be Bel. Still, perhaps I was subconsciously thinking of you.... Hmmm. Subconsciously. Every time I write it I think of PG. Steve From prydonia at accn.org Fri Jul 7 23:48:03 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:48:03 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <001601bfe865$6aa4f640$258b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 7, 2000 Lynda: Spike, there's something I want you to do. Spike: I know. You told me yesterday. We had to get a big swear box. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From logqueen at hotmail.com Sat Jul 8 09:58:37 2000 From: logqueen at hotmail.com (Flozzlehooter Hardy-Weinburg) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:58:37 GMT Subject: julia news and flaws Message-ID: <20000708085838.11175.qmail@hotmail.com> Stepping out of the shadows to become a contributor PLUS the admittance of being a perthian shouting julia news for all to hear. The west Australian (for all those with access)Friday 7/7 page 8 entertainment section has a article and picture entitled soul searching for sawalha and a pic with caption 'bouncing back..Julia Sawalha colour pic mind u. A rundown of the article is a small promo for chicken run but a major focus on a incident where Julia left her mobile at a bar someone picks it up finds the number of her parents and rings them telling them Jules was mangled in a car wreck. This in combination with Nadia's husband commiting suicide. It then goes on to Julias pick me up on the greenpeace thingos and predicts mirrorball and quote 'is set to appear in Time Gentlemen please in which she plays an up for it Australian barmaid' If anyone requires further information or would like a transcript of the article mail me off list. Just one thought before I retreat I was watching 'the big hello' today and discovered something. Lynda picks up the pic of spike and says 'hes in america he's not coming back just pull yourself together'. The next frame after this is a close up shot of someoen sleeping, the shot after this shows lynda sleeping with the plane flying overhead in the background. Rewing. have a close look at the close up of the sleeping person and see if it resembles Billy homer. I swear I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. I was like hang on lynda's in her pj's and billy is in her bed...what? But the next shot shows lynda alone. Check it out people you will be amazed. Also in the last word 2 when colin gets shot he seems to fall from left to right yet in the next scence with him on the stretcher his bullet wound is on the right. How is your stance on this issue. Is it a script flaw or is it Pauls acting? I have taken my sample of the limelite now I turn to retreat into the shadows. put a smile on your dial I'll be back in a while Alison ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From maya_crabtree at hotmail.com Sat Jul 8 10:11:31 2000 From: maya_crabtree at hotmail.com (Maya Crabtree) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 02:11:31 PDT Subject: [pressgang] L...h - OT Message-ID: <20000708091131.6362.qmail@hotmail.com> L...h, >It's always surprised me how British people have such difficulty >pronouncing my name, L...h, when they see it written down! There have been >SO many mispronunciations of my first name, from "leeth" to "lee-eth" and >"lyeth" (one syllable) to "lye-eth" (two syllables). I know my name is >unusual in the West but its pronunciation *should* be very simple to the >British as there is a word in the English language that rhymes with my name >exactly, and that word is FAITH (which is also a not very common woman's >name). So when people mispronounce my name they are either being stupid or >deliberately awkward. I understand. I have a double problem. When I am in England, no one knows how exactly to pronounce my name. It's Maya. simple. no round sylables. Just MA-YA. but even my relatives still calle me Mia or May-a . Whereas, In Israel I have aa different problem - my surname. We are the ONLY Crabtrees in Israel (not a very big country, I admit, but still 6 million people to choose from). And NO one knows how to pronounce it. It's difficult to explain because in English A E I O & U are there to help you understand what kind of sound you're supposed to make with all those consenants. But - if you know anything about Arabic - Hebrew is pretty much the same - there are just the regular letters and signs under and above them (in hebrew under , in arabic more above) that tell you how to pronounce them. However, this is only done for little children just learing o read, Older people already recognize all the words and are supposed to know how to pronounce them. BTw, that is the reason that SO many people make pronunciation mistakes in Hebrew, the slang is more a mis-pronunciation of regular words than actually inventing NEW words. So they say instead of Crabtree (and Hebrew-spekaer do not have ROUND 'R's anyway) - Cravtri Cravtari Crebtri Cravatri Craviteri and so on, all kinds of mistakes. Hardly EVER did anyone get it right the first time they read it, and seldom di they get it right after I correct them. Teachers who've known me some years still don't get it right. and the funniest time was when someone called for my mother from some insurance company and asked for Mrs. Carefree.... :-))) I love hebrew and English. I generally things that English and French and MUCH nicer and more pleasant to the ear. But Hebrew and Arabic (and Aramic, btw, which is not used these days) have something very special in them. (which of course, always brings the subject to the inocent and banal wish for all Semic people to unite and live harnoniuously etc, etc, damn it, I hope they sign a peace agreement next week in Camp David). Sorry. Maya ("Kate") ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From prydonia at accn.org Sat Jul 8 10:26:30 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 05:26:30 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <002401bfe8be$a1337e80$148b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 8, 2000 Spike: There's a band coming to Sherrington, next Wednesday. I could get some tickets. Lynda: One, I have no wish to go all the way to Sherrington with you to see a bunch of dead-heads drowning out their music with the noise it makes… Spike: And two? Lynda: I'm already going. Spike: Well, now you don't have to go alone. Lynda: Who said I was going alone? Spike: What, you mean you're going with a girlfriend or something? Your brother? Sister? Mom? Dad? Dog? Julie: James Armstrong. Spike: James Armstrong? Julie: Yeah, he's a maths student at the college. Tall, blond and edible. Lynda: Satisfied? Julie: I know I would be. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From maya_crabtree at hotmail.com Sat Jul 8 14:47:55 2000 From: maya_crabtree at hotmail.com (Maya Crabtree) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 06:47:55 PDT Subject: [pressgang] UK Meets (Was Re: [pressgang] I resemble that remark) Message-ID: <20000708134755.41839.qmail@hotmail.com> > >BTW, *when* are us Brits going to have a serious get together? I mean, > >correct me if I'm wrong, but the UK is a lot smaller than Aus - so if >they > >can manage it, why on earth can't we? > >Good point David - we do live in the home of PG, after all! How about doing >a meet in Uxbridge, so we could go location visiting/hunting? After all, >arranging to meet up in Czar's cafe itself is something that those down >under could never match! > When are you planning this meeting? If it is around september or October I might just be in London at the time. So please let me know too. Thanks Kate ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From prydonia at accn.org Sun Jul 9 04:56:44 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:56:44 -0400 Subject: Trivia Contest Message-ID: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Sigh....another month has breezed by me, and it is time to get the trivia contest out again. Here are your questions: #1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a exterminators? (1 point) #2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, and how? (4 points) #3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were playing.) #4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) #5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit enterprise? (1 pt) #6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you can tell me the new names chosen for them.) #7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? (1 pt) #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) #9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) #10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic feature. Best of luck to everyone, and I'll be looking forward to your answers! Kevin "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From head_overheels at hotmail.com Sun Jul 9 11:42:44 2000 From: head_overheels at hotmail.com (Katarina Hjärpe) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:42:44 CEST Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest Message-ID: <20000709094244.72243.qmail@hotmail.com> Okay, I'm gonna give this a try even though I suck at these things. >Sigh....another month has breezed by me, and it is time to get the trivia >contest out again. Here are your questions: Four first I have no idea on, let's skip to the ones I can at least guess. >#5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's >rabbit >enterprise? (1 pt) Complete guess - he's had it with rabbits after his adventure in A Night In? >#6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team >voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you >can tell me the new names chosen for them.) I believe it was Henry and George. Afterwards it was Spike and Lynda. >#7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated >with? >(1 pt) The woman who was sacked from the school cafeteria, and who appeared in Yesterday's News. I think her name was Beth Davenport. >#8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney >Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) >phenomenon >he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) ??????? >#9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, >and >where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) Don't know the name... it's an anti-stress thing and you put them on your forehead. >#10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing >characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point >if >you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic >feature. A huge eye. I have no idea. This didn't go very well... Katta ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 9 11:52:38 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:52:38 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest Message-ID: <010e01bfe994$055436e0$075c893e@default> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Nauta To: Press Gang Mailing List Date: 09 July 2000 05:00 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest >Sigh....another month has breezed by me, and it is time to get the trivia >contest out again. Here are your questions: >#1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a >exterminators? (1 point) "Love and War". "Blue collar - great look." >#2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, >and how? >(4 points) Um...I'm pretty sure that one would be the ice cream that he knocks out of the young lad's hand, thus having to buy a replacement for him, and then loads of other people. Oh, and the can of drink that he kicks and puts a dent in someone's car. >#3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 >point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were >playing.) The Dreadnoughts, playing at the Pavilion. >#4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to >escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) Um...I'm not sure - I was going to say first Ruby Grogan and then Philippa Prescott, but neither of them quite fit. I'll say Ruby Grogan. >#5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit >enterprise? (1 pt) "I don't deal with animals unless they're freeze dried and wrapped in celophane." >#6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team >voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you >can tell me the new names chosen for them.) Henry and George before the name change. It was decided that, what with their high level of productivity, Spike and Lynda would be rather appropriate new names. >#7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? >(1 pt) Beth Davenport. >#8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney >Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon >he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) I can only presume you're talking about the Spice Girls, who I'm unhappy to report don't seem to be quite washed up yet. I'm working on it, though - I keep going round all the record shops buying up their singles to ritually burn, but they still keep charting...) >#9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and >where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) "Rubberized tension extractors," to be worn on the forehead. >#10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing >characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if >you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic >feature. A peep-hole with an eye design painted round it. Shared with a character out of the Avengers - can't remember which one, but I *think* it's Emma Peel. David. -- This week I have been mostly reading: "Heart of TARDIS" by Dave Stone. ICQ# 78909487 http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From muzza at pressgang.org Sun Jul 9 12:44:15 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:44:15 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000709193551.00d62da0@mail.iinet.net.au> At 11:56 9/07/00, you wrote: >#1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a >exterminators? (1 point) Love and War. >#2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, >and how? An ice-cream cone he knocks out of a kid's hand. He is made to replace it several times over by the child's mother. >#3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 >point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were >playing.) The Dreadnoughts were playing at The Pavillion. >#4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to >escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) Ruby Grogan. >#5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit >enterprise? (1 pt) He doesn't like animals unless their freeze-dried or mounted(?). >#6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team >voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you >can tell me the new names chosen for them.) Henry and George became Spike and Lynda. >#7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? >(1 pt) Mrs Ruth (?) Dathenport - who used to mix custard in with the potatoes before she was fired. >#8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney >Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon >he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) The Spice Girls. >#9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and >where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) Rubberised Tension Extractors - you wear them on your forehead. >#10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing >characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if >you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic >feature. A big eye is painted on it. Can't think who else has that. ************************************************************************** "I don't go to mythical places with strange men" - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul, Ch. 22 http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ <> http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From bel_imperia at excite.com Sun Jul 9 12:50:44 2000 From: bel_imperia at excite.com (Bel-Imperia) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 04:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT - Harry Potter 4 Launch - No Spoilers Message-ID: <33108000.963143444157.JavaMail.imail@bronty> I'm still so excited, I had to share this with you. I met JK Rowling yesterday at the HP4 book launch at Platfrom nine and three quarters at King's Cross. And she's such a cool woman. Conrad and me managed to blag our way onto the platform and then wandered unchallenged into the press enclosure - the press were obnoxious, and she obviously hated dealing with them, but she was great with the fans. When one of the hacks asked her what she liked best about the success of the launch she said that she'd been bowled over by the enthusiasm of the kids who'd been prepared to go and sleep over at bookstores in order to be amongst the first to get her book. When they asked her if she'd visited any of them, she said she hadn't been allowed to because her publicity people feared a riot if she did, and she seemed upset that she hadn't been able to go. She didn't sign that many books, only about ten, but mine and Conrad's were among them - she signed the cover, and you have to look really hard with the design and all, but it's her signature alright. I asked her if Sirius Black was mean to be dead sexy or what, and she looked at me, then smiled and said yes. I think she kind of liked the fact that there were friendly faces in amongst the wolves, and we made a point of thanking her, not just for signing but for writing the books. She was moving down the train waving out of the windows, and Conrad caught her eye, and mouthed thank you at her, and she gave us a big grin, waved at us and mouthed no problem. When the train was leaving the station, the PR people herded us all behind the barriers, but Connie and I snuck back out and stood on our own a little way down the platform and yelled another thank you and goodbye as she went past and she gave us a cheery wave and a hundred watt grin, which considering she is renowned as a woman whose normal expression is quite miserable (and I sympathise, cos I'm another always being told to cheer up when I'm really quite happy) we took as a big compliment. As you can see, I'm still high as a kite, and yes, I know, that makes me a sad girl, but I don't care! And, without any spoilers, Goblet of Fire is just as wonderful as the others were. Bel _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From godiva at kublai.com Sun Jul 9 14:41:29 2000 From: godiva at kublai.com (Godiva Cully) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:41:29 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia>; from prydonia@accn.org on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 11:56:44PM -0400 References: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <20000709094129.A6241@rhodes.kublai.com> > #1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a > exterminators? (1 point) Love and War? I know she got in the getup for it at any rate, tho Ithink they were looking out for the black death, not roaches. > #2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, > and how? > (4 points) I can only remember the ice cream of the little kid that he threw on the ground which the kid's mom made him get many replacements for... I'll have to come back to this... > #3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 > point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were > playing.) Dreadnoughts, at the Pavillion > #4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to > escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) After adding all those quotes into the imdb, I should be able to get this one :) Ruby Grogan. > #5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit > enterprise? (1 pt) They weren't freeze-dried and wrapped in celophane > #6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team > voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you > can tell me the new names chosen for them.) Harry and George, turned into Spike and Lynda. > #7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? > (1 pt) Her name is escaping me right now, but it's the old lady who's made the atomic bomb cakes for Adam's party... > #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney > Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon > he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) Spice Girls, in Spice World. Terrible movie, and Marc McKinney was at his worst, imo. > #9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and > where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) Pressurized tension extractors? And your forehead. > #10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing > characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if > you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic > feature. The eye painted around the peephole, and it's from the door to whatshernames apartment from the avengers... --Eavan (and while we're on the subject of pronouncing names right, my name is pronounced Eve-in... rhymes with Steven, Leavin', Grievin' etc.) -- "The Right Honorable Gentleman is indebted to his memory for his jests and to his imagination for his facts." -- Sheridan From godiva at kublai.com Sun Jul 9 14:41:29 2000 From: godiva at kublai.com (Godiva Cully) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:41:29 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia>; from prydonia@accn.org on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 11:56:44PM -0400 References: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <20000709094129.A6241@rhodes.kublai.com> > #1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a > exterminators? (1 point) Love and War? I know she got in the getup for it at any rate, tho Ithink they were looking out for the black death, not roaches. > #2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, > and how? > (4 points) I can only remember the ice cream of the little kid that he threw on the ground which the kid's mom made him get many replacements for... I'll have to come back to this... > #3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 > point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were > playing.) Dreadnoughts, at the Pavillion > #4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to > escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) After adding all those quotes into the imdb, I should be able to get this one :) Ruby Grogan. > #5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit > enterprise? (1 pt) They weren't freeze-dried and wrapped in celophane > #6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team > voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you > can tell me the new names chosen for them.) Harry and George, turned into Spike and Lynda. > #7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? > (1 pt) Her name is escaping me right now, but it's the old lady who's made the atomic bomb cakes for Adam's party... > #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney > Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon > he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) Spice Girls, in Spice World. Terrible movie, and Marc McKinney was at his worst, imo. > #9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and > where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) Pressurized tension extractors? And your forehead. > #10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing > characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if > you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic > feature. The eye painted around the peephole, and it's from the door to whatshernames apartment from the avengers... --Eavan (and while we're on the subject of pronouncing names right, my name is pronounced Eve-in... rhymes with Steven, Leavin', Grievin' etc.) -- "The Right Honorable Gentleman is indebted to his memory for his jests and to his imagination for his facts." -- Sheridan From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 01:08:37 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest Message-ID: <20000710000837.707.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Sigh....another month has breezed by me, and it is > time to get the trivia > contest out again. Here are your questions: > > #1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike > and Lynda impersonate a > exterminators? (1 point) Love and War. > #2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items > get Colin in trouble, > and how? > (4 points) > No idea - I've actully never seen the episode. > #3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and > Lynda to go see. (1 > point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place > where they were > playing.) Dreadnoughts at the Pavillion. and on the useless trivia note there is actully an Australian heavy metal band of the same name ! > #4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually > hid in the bathroom to > escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) Ruby > #5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to > buy into Tiddler's rabbit > enterprise? (1 pt) don't remmber. > #6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named > before the news team > voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, > and a bonus point if you > can tell me the new names chosen for them.) Spike and Lynda were the new names I don't know what the old ones were. > #7 With what PG character is the word > "custard" best associated with? > (1 pt) Colin ? > #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not > teamed up with Britney > Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture > (now washed up) phenomenon > he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) The Spice Girls. > #9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's > selling to the public, and > where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) Those suction arrows and you wear them on your head : ) > #10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very > unusual distinguishing > characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it > is, and a bonus point if > you can name for me the famous tv character whose > door has the same basic > feature. > The view hole has a big eye painted around it. natacha > > Best of luck to everyone, and I'll be looking > forward to your answers! > > Kevin > > > > > > > "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for > something beyond the ordinary." > Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 10 03:09:11 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:09:11 +1000 Subject: [ot] spice girls movie In-Reply-To: <20000709094129.A6241@rhodes.kublai.com> References: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000710120611.01c4ba80@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Eavan, >> #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney >> Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon >> he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) > >Spice Girls, in Spice World. Terrible movie, and Marc McKinney was at his >worst, imo. *** Actually, I thought it was not that bad. I went along expecting the poorest form of tripe imaginable, but I actually thought they did a decent job of doing a good parody of themselves. And the parody of Speed was hilarious - those five seconds made it worth the price of admission for me. Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From prydonia at accn.org Mon Jul 10 03:08:00 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:08:00 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <000701bfea13$b4d995e0$578b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 9, 2000 Kenny: You must fancy her rotten. Spike: Who? Lynda? I'd drink her bath water. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 03:14:14 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [ot] spice girls movie Message-ID: <20000710021414.26476.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> --- Travis Cox wrote: > Eavan, > > >> #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has > not teamed up with Britney > >> Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture > (now washed up) phenomenon > >> he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) > > > >Spice Girls, in Spice World. Terrible movie, and > Marc McKinney was at his > >worst, imo. > > *** Actually, I thought it was not that bad. I > went along expecting the > poorest form of tripe imaginable, but I actually > thought they did a decent job > of doing a good parody of themselves. And the > parody of Speed was hilarious - > those five seconds made it worth the price of > admission for me. I really enjoyed it as well - despite the fact that I was one of the oldest people in the cinema. Natacha > Trav. > > ======================================= > PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen > Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be > > <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 > words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. > http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html > ======================================= > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 10 03:31:21 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:31:21 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] spice girls movie In-Reply-To: <20000710021414.26476.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000710122355.01c39080@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Natacha, >I really enjoyed it as well - despite the fact that I >was one of the oldest people in the cinema. *** I hope you did not get a look of derision from the person behind the ticket counter like I did. I went on a whim one Sunday afternoon towards the end of it's run when it was down to one screening per day, and I looked in the paper to see what time it was. When I got to the cinema though, the large electronic board flashing the names and times of the movies showing did not include the SG movie. I knew it was going to be an embarrassing experience to ask for a ticket anyway, but it was compounded by actually having to ask if it was even on. The person behind the counter looked it up and confirmed that it was, and then asked me how many tickets I wanted, presuming I was just there because I was the old person escorting a group of small 10yo kiddies. I replied that I only needed one, and he looked at me for a couple of seconds, smirked a little, then giggled as he handed over my ticket. Oh, the shame of it all. But I still liked the movie. Actually, I would have been annoyed if I'd taken little kids to see it, on the grounds that there were five or six little kids in there, and they kept shifting seats for the entire movie. There were two adults up the front of the cinema, where the kids were, I guess because the kids wanted to sit close to the screen. The adults were talking to one another quietly, ignoring the movie, while the kids galloped around between various rows and seats, unable to decide which was the very best seat in the whole cinema. Fortunately, none of the little brats came to the back half of the cinema, where I was sitting, but it was another demonstration of why having a child is not an item on my life's agenda. Trav, despising small children since 1975. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 05:04:15 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [ot] spice girls movie Message-ID: <20000710040415.12810.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> --- Travis Cox wrote: > Natacha, > > >I really enjoyed it as well - despite the fact that > I > >was one of the oldest people in the cinema. > > *** I hope you did not get a look of derision > from the person behind the > ticket counter like I did. No, they were too busy dealing with the 500 odd teen and pre teen girls who were desperatly excited about the film. Natacha I went on a whim one > Sunday afternoon towards the > end of it's run when it was down to one screening > per day, and I looked in the > paper to see what time it was. When I got to the > cinema though, the large > electronic board flashing the names and times of the > movies showing did not > include the SG movie. I knew it was going to be an > embarrassing experience to > ask for a ticket anyway, but it was compounded by > actually having to ask if it > was even on. > The person behind the counter looked it up > and confirmed that it was, > and then asked me how many tickets I wanted, > presuming I was just there because > I was the old person escorting a group of small 10yo > kiddies. I replied that I > only needed one, and he looked at me for a couple of > seconds, smirked a little, > then giggled as he handed over my ticket. Oh, the > shame of it all. > > But I still liked the movie. Actually, I > would have been annoyed > if I'd > taken little kids to see it, on the grounds that > there were five or six little > kids in there, and they kept shifting seats for the > entire movie. There were > two adults up the front of the cinema, where the > kids were, I guess because the > kids wanted to sit close to the screen. The adults > were talking to one another > quietly, ignoring the movie, while the kids galloped > around between various > rows and seats, unable to decide which was the very > best seat in the whole > cinema. > > Fortunately, none of the little brats came > to the back half of the > cinema, where I was sitting, but it was another > demonstration of why having a > child is not an item on my life's agenda. > > Trav, despising small children since 1975. > > > ======================================= > PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen > Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be > > <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 > words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. > http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html > ======================================= > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From longmire at iinet.net.au Mon Jul 10 05:35:58 2000 From: longmire at iinet.net.au (Marianna Longmire) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:35:58 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] spice girls movie In-Reply-To: <20000710040415.12810.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well I don't care what anyone says. The Spice Girls movie was fantastic. If only for the scene in the hospital where Vicky encouraged Geri to get out her tits for the lad in the coma. Very, very funny. I had free tix for the film as part of some very dodgy radio competition. Everyone there was screaming out the names of the gals during the opening credits. Me and my pals were the only ones who screamed in glee when Richard E Grant's name came up. Aaaah, sweeet Richard. mmm smiles marianna 'They've got fire in their eyes, hunger in their bellies and great big shoes on their feet.' From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 06:18:02 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [ot] spice girls movie Message-ID: <20000710051802.23175.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Me and my pals were the only ones who > screamed in glee when Richard > E Grant's name came up. > Aaaah, sweeet Richard. > mmm > Have you seen him in Dr Who the Case of the Fatal Death - so much sexier than Hugh Grant. Natacha > > smiles > marianna > > > 'They've got fire in their eyes, hunger in their > bellies and great big shoes > on their feet.' > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 10 06:36:05 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:36:05 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000710152638.01a46c60@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Kevin, >#1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a >exterminators? (1 point) *** How To Make A Killing. Well, from the cockroaches point of view, it would be probably titled like that... >#2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, >and how? >(4 points) *** (a) Lime Jelly - he is unexpectedly caught bikini-wrestling with Sarah in it when Tiddler peeks into his office late one night. (b) Dirt - well, it's a food group for toddlers. >#3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 >point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were >playing.) *** The Whitlams, in Terra Australis. >#4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to >escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) *** Tiddler. >#5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit >enterprise? (1 pt) *** Even for him, he felt it was a hare-brained scheme...*groan* >#6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team >voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you >can tell me the new names chosen for them.) *** Before : "Rabbit 1" and "Rabbit 2" After : "Rabbit 2" and "Rabbit 1" >#7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? >(1 pt) *** Frazz, but I thought this was a trivia contest based on the show, not the real life of the actor playing a character on the show? I mean, what Mmoloki gets up to in his own free time is his own damn business, and should not be part of the monthly trivia contest. Sheesh. Next month you'll probably be asking all about Dexter Fletcher's secret love of women's footwear...*shaking head* >#8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney >Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon >he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) *** The famous Australian group - Steve D And The Medians >#9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and >where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) *** I'd prefer not to answer on the grounds of incrimination... >#10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing >characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if >you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic >feature. *** Doorknob. As seen on the door of Alex P. Keaton's room in "Family Ties". Trav. From muzza at pressgang.org Mon Jul 10 07:04:56 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:04:56 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000710152638.01a46c60@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000710140252.00d927f0@mail.iinet.net.au> Trav wrote: > >#10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing > >characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if > >you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic > >feature. > >*** Doorknob. As seen on the door of Alex P. Keaton's room in "Family >Ties". You're so naive, Trav - *everyone* knows that Family Ties just stole the "doorknob" thing from Thames television's "Man About the House". Murray ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From longmire at iinet.net.au Mon Jul 10 07:33:30 2000 From: longmire at iinet.net.au (Marianna Longmire) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:33:30 +0800 Subject: [ot] Richard E Grant, Dexter Fletcher and Bill Murray. Yumbo humbo In-Reply-To: <20000710051802.23175.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > Have you seen him in Dr Who the Case of the Fatal > Death - so much sexier than Hugh Grant. > Alas, I haven't seen that particular ep although I would very much like to. Hey, did anyone else notice that Dexter made a v.brief appearance in the Man Who Knew Too Little? smiles m Bill Murray rocks my world. From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Mon Jul 10 09:27:12 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:27:12 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Nauta [SMTP:prydonia at accn.org] > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 3:57 AM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest > > #1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate > a > exterminators? (1 point) > In "Love and War" they pretend to be sort of health inspectors ("We think it's the Black Death."!!!!) but I can't remember when they were exterminators until I read someone else's answer. Has David posted yet? > #2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, > and how? > (4 points) > > #3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 > point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were > playing.) > "Dreadnoughts" at the Pavillion - where Kenny later played. > #4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom > to > escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) > Ruby Grogan. > #5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's > rabbit > enterprise? (1 pt) > "I don't deal with rabbits/animals unless they're freezed-dried and wrapped in cellophane." To him a rabbit is just a four-pack of lucky feet. > #6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team > voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you > can tell me the new names chosen for them.) > Henry and George later became Spike and Lynda. > #7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated > with? > (1 pt) > Beth Davenport, 32 Curran Drive. She got fired because she kept mixing it in with the potatoes. > #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney > Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) > phenomenon > he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) > The Spice Girls? Actually, I think I *liked* 'Spiceworld: The Movie'. > #9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, > and > where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) > Rubberised Tension Extractors. You wear one (or two) on your forehead. > #10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing > characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point > if > you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic > feature. > An eye painted around the peep-hole. Bonus: Has this anything to do with Press Gang? No? Then I'm NOT answering!! > Best of luck to everyone, and I'll be looking forward to your answers! > I can't wait to read Travis' replies - I could do with a larf. Cameene Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Mon Jul 10 09:35:24 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:35:24 -0000 Subject: Pronouncing names - OT but On. Message-ID: Well, since Eavan, Maya and L...h did it, Cameene will do it too. It's Cameene pronounced: "Ki-meen". I bet none of you got that. I tell you, if ONE more person calls me Car-meen-ie, I'll do a hypothetical Kenny! Actually, I *have* been calling Eavan "Evan" for the past 17 months. Cameene - I blame the parents, they started it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Maya Crabtree [SMTP:maya_crabtree at hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:12 AM > > >It's always surprised me how British people have such difficulty > >pronouncing my name, L...h, when they see it written down! There have > been > >SO many mispronunciations of my first name, from "leeth" to "lee-eth" and > > >"lyeth" (one syllable) to "lye-eth" (two syllables). I know my name is > >unusual in the West but its pronunciation *should* be very simple to the > >British as there is a word in the English language that rhymes with my > name > >exactly, and that word is FAITH (which is also a not very common woman's > >name). So when people mispronounce my name they are either being stupid > or > >deliberately awkward. > > I understand. I have a double problem. When I am in England, no one knows > how exactly to pronounce my name. It's Maya. simple. no round sylables. > Just > MA-YA. but even my relatives still calle me Mia or May-a > . Whereas, In Israel I have aa different problem - my surname. > We are the ONLY Crabtrees in Israel (not a very big country, I admit, but > still 6 million people to choose from). And NO one knows how to pronounce > it. It's difficult to explain because in English A E I O & U are there to > help you understand what kind of sound you're supposed to make with all > those consenants. But - if you know anything about Arabic - Hebrew is > pretty > much the same - there are just the regular letters and signs under and > above > them (in hebrew under , in arabic more above) that tell you how to > pronounce > them. However, this is only done for little children just learing o read, > Older people already recognize all the words and are supposed to know how > to > pronounce them. BTw, that is the reason that SO many people make > pronunciation mistakes in Hebrew, the slang is more a mis-pronunciation of > > regular words than actually inventing NEW words. So they say instead of > Crabtree (and Hebrew-spekaer do not have ROUND 'R's anyway) - > Cravtri > Cravtari > Crebtri > Cravatri > Craviteri > and so on, all kinds of mistakes. Hardly EVER did anyone get it right the > first time they read it, and seldom di they get it right after I correct > them. Teachers who've known me some years still don't get it right. > and the funniest time was when someone called for my mother from some > insurance company and asked for Mrs. Carefree.... :-))) > > > I love hebrew and English. I generally things that English and French and > MUCH nicer and more pleasant to the ear. But Hebrew and Arabic (and > Aramic, > btw, which is not used these days) have something very special in them. > (which of course, always brings the subject to the inocent and banal wish > for all Semic people to unite and live harnoniuously etc, etc, damn it, I > hope they sign a peace agreement next week in Camp David). > > > Sorry. > > Maya > ("Kate") > > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 10 10:00:07 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:00:07 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] spice girls movie References: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia><000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> <4.1.20000710120611.01c4ba80@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <008101bfea4d$3fc7bfe0$722bd7d2@pavilion> > > *** Actually, I thought it was not that bad. I went along expecting the > poorest form of tripe imaginable, but I actually thought they did a decent job > of doing a good parody of themselves. And the parody of Speed was hilarious - > those five seconds made it worth the price of admission for me. > > Trav. Very much agreed. I saw it when it came out on foxtel last year and I had nothing else to do. I expected absolute crap - but was pleasently surprised. A witty, classy parody of everything the Spice Girls apparently stood for - plus the odd spoofs of famous films - was what I got, and I quite enjoyed it. Of course, I had to wade through every Spice Girls song ever released in the process, but it could have been a *lot* worse. And while we're on the topic of Bob Spiers - has he been the director behind every cool British show for the past 30 years or what??!!! Waaaaay cool guy! Richard, who is happy to report of another fun-filled Brisbane meet on firday night: good(ish) food, great company, intelligent conversation - and of course excellent viewing! (Something Terrible two-parter and Day Dreams if anyone cares!) -- Mr Sullivan: You're a woman of unexpected depth, Lynda - to which you regularly steep. From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 10 10:09:51 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:09:51 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest References: <000301bfe959$b8f9c100$bd8b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <008701bfea4e$9b975c80$722bd7d2@pavilion> I haven't looked at other people's yet - honest! > #1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a > exterminators? (1 point) 'Love and War'. "I hate it when we do this!" (Tee hee!) Ahhh, Lucrecia Borgia.... > > #2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, > and how? > (4 points) Haven't seen this ep for many years. > > #3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 > point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were > playing.) The Dreadnoughts at...the Pavillion? Or was that the place Kenny was at? > > #4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to > escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) That...girl. Was it Ruby? Can't remember her last name. > > #5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit > enterprise? (1 pt) Ooh, I remember this one from seeing 'Something Terrible' at Friday's Meet. Colin only deals with dead animals (there's a witty quote but I can't remember it word-for-word). > > #6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team > voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you > can tell me the new names chosen for them.) Nooooo...again from 'Something terrible' but I can't remember! The new names were Spike and Lynda of course. > > #7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? > (1 pt) Well there's that woman in 'Yesterday's News' who kept mixing the custard in with the potatoes, but somehow I don't think that's what you were after... > > #8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney > Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon > he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) Ahhh, this is where that thread came from! Spice Girls of course. > > #9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and > where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) Tension extractors. > > #10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing > characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if > you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic > feature. A giant Eye with a peep hole in the middle. Apparently it was based on some character from the avengers (technically I didn't cheat, I just happened to be glancing at the programme guide the other night I swear!!!) Richard, hoping he does a *little* better this time.... From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 10 13:39:29 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:39:29 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Pronouncing names - OT but On. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20000710223444.01cd1610@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Cameene, >It's Cameene pronounced: "Ki-meen". I bet none of you got that. >I tell you, if ONE more person calls me Car-meen-ie, I'll do a hypothetical >Kenny! That one surprises me. I would have pronounced it with a very harsh "Ca" sound, probably like the beginning of "cat". But as for adding the "ie" on the end, that never occurred to me. I have always just thought of it as "ca-meen". I have been saying it aloud several times now as I write this email, and I think perhaps I might even pronounce it as K'meen, rather like G'kar, if there are any B5 fans out there who know what I am talking about. Travis Cox, who hates it when people call him "Trevor Skocks"... ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 10 13:43:30 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:43:30 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20000710223949.01cc91a0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Cameene, > I can't wait to read Travis' replies - I could do with a larf. *** Hey, I answered seriously last time, don't you recall? Of course, Kevin was biased against me, and marked me down, and I had to throw a few wrong answers in to make myself look a little less like the all-powerful deity I secretly am, but still, it just is more fun to make up answers than stretch my brain and think of the real ones... That's probably the one downside of peer-reviewed publications. Can't just make up the answers. Otherwise Murray and I would have completed our theses in about, oh, twelve weeks, I guess...*grin* Trav. From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Mon Jul 10 15:09:01 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:09:01 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] Pronouncing names - OT Message-ID: Travis, Well, if you're an Irish male with a relatively deep voice (like two of my college lecturers), you can get away with the very harsh "Ca" sound. Any other accent saying it (even my own) just gets right on my tits. A Welsh bloke I knew opted for the "K'meen"/"Kuh-meen" cos he's just got a very "lazy" voice. Another girl and I used to spend many happy minutes teasing him until he was red in the face about the way he said "t'thbrush". A small child came up with "Keh-meen" which was rather cute but now he's too old to get away with it. And of course, there's those with French accents... Actually, I'm kinda soft on regional accents too, like the bloke from York who for a short while managed to pronounce "Cameene" as "Flower". > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Cox [SMTP:t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:39 PM > > Cameene, > > >It's Cameene pronounced: "Ki-meen". I bet none of you got that. > >I tell you, if ONE more person calls me Car-meen-ie, I'll do a > hypothetical > >Kenny! > > That one surprises me. I would have pronounced it with a very > harsh > "Ca" sound, probably like the beginning of "cat". But as for adding the > "ie" > on the end, that never occurred to me. I have always just thought of it > as > "ca-meen". I have been saying it aloud several times now as I write this > email, and I think perhaps I might even pronounce it as K'meen, rather > like > G'kar, if there are any B5 fans out there who know what I am talking > about. > > Travis Cox, who hates it when people call him "Trevor Skocks"... > I'll not be doing that then, lad - but can I call you "TAC" just to annoy Darling Steve? Cameene - fickle, but hey, she *is* a female (of sorts). Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From prydonia at accn.org Mon Jul 10 14:38:02 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:38:02 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <000301bfea74$17fb14e0$598b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 10, 2000 Lynda: See where it says ruler? That's who it belongs to. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 10 15:36:32 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:36:32 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lee Ross & The Gift Mp3 Now Online... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000711003632.008a36f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Sifting through archived mails, I found this post about the mp3 files of Kenny's songs, and they not working. I never got around to checking them out myself and I don't recall hearing any response to this. Do the files work? Any progress at all? I don't want to spend a long time downloading them if they don't. Please fill me in (with cement) Cheerybye Steve At 05:47 20/06/00 +0100, you wrote: >I finally got round to downloading these files last night... but they DON'T work!!! Any thoughts? > >L...h > >>>> Chris 06/07/00 06:27pm >>> >Hi, > >Just thought i'd let anyone know who's interested that i've put up an >mp3 that I made from the closing credits of 'The Big Finish?" >I've also put up a small realvideo clip of colin & the girls getting >kenny psyched up for the concert in colins office. > >http://www.nw.com.au/~thompc/The_Gift.zip (128kbps 44khz, Stereo >mp3) 1.56mb > >http://www.nw.com.au/~thompc/colin_bf.zip (Colin & Kenny RealVideo clip) >1.60mb > > >BTW both these clips were made from yesterdays episode of PG on >Nickelodeon. > >Enjoy... > >-- >============================================== >Chris... >E-mail: timevortex at bigfoot.com >ICQ ID: 7545162 >http://whomedia.cjb.net >============================================== > > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > From thompc at nw.com.au Mon Jul 10 17:32:35 2000 From: thompc at nw.com.au (Chris) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:32:35 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] Lee Ross & The Gift Mp3 Now Online... References: <3.0.5.32.20000711003632.008a36f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3969FAA3.650690E6@nw.com.au> yes they will do if you use Getright or another downloading util that supports resuming, this is because the server they are on (my ISP) has a tendency to kill the download half way through a file.. Steve Darlington wrote: > Sifting through archived mails, I found this post about the mp3 files of > Kenny's songs, and they not working. I never got around to checking them > out myself and I don't recall hearing any response to this. Do the files > work? Any progress at all? I don't want to spend a long time downloading > them if they don't. > > Please fill me in (with cement) > Cheerybye > Steve > > At 05:47 20/06/00 +0100, you wrote: > >I finally got round to downloading these files last night... but they > DON'T work!!! Any thoughts? > > > >L...h > > > >>>> Chris 06/07/00 06:27pm >>> > >Hi, > > > >Just thought i'd let anyone know who's interested that i've put up an > >mp3 that I made from the closing credits of 'The Big Finish?" > >I've also put up a small realvideo clip of colin & the girls getting > >kenny psyched up for the concert in colins office. > > > >http://www.nw.com.au/~thompc/The_Gift.zip (128kbps 44khz, Stereo > >mp3) 1.56mb > > > >http://www.nw.com.au/~thompc/colin_bf.zip (Colin & Kenny RealVideo clip) > >1.60mb > > > > > >BTW both these clips were made from yesterdays episode of PG on > >Nickelodeon. > > > >Enjoy... > > > >-- > >============================================== > >Chris... > >E-mail: timevortex at bigfoot.com > >ICQ ID: 7545162 > >http://whomedia.cjb.net > >============================================== > > > > > > > >-- > > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > > > > > > >-- > > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author -- ============================================== Chris... E-mail: timevortex at bigfoot.com ICQ ID: 7545162 http://whomedia.cjb.net ============================================== From hopalong_pxp at mailcity.com Tue Jul 11 03:01:51 2000 From: hopalong_pxp at mailcity.com (Allison K East) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:01:51 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Trivia Contest Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:56:44 Kevin Nauta wrote: >Sigh....another month has breezed by me, and it is time to get the trivia >contest out again. Here are your questions: > >#1 Cockroaches beware! In what episode do Spike and Lynda impersonate a >exterminators? (1 point) Love and War > >#2 In PICKING UP THE PIECES, what two food items get Colin in trouble, >and how? Kicked a can and made a dent in someone's car (that's what you get for a bad temper. That and sore hands from thumping doors and walls...) and dumped into a little kid and knocked his icecream over. And had to replace it with a lot more than what the kid should really have. Greedy kid. I would have got a clip around the ear if I had demanded that much. >(4 points) > >#3 Name the band Tiddler tries to get Spike and Lynda to go see. (1 >point, plus a bonus point if you can name the place where they were >playing.) Dreadnoughts at the Pavillion > >#4 This woman so intimidated Spike, he actually hid in the bathroom to >escape her. Who was she? (1 pt.) Ruby Grogan. Colin fancied her and she was obsessed with Spike > >#5 What is Colin's reason for not wanting to buy into Tiddler's rabbit >enterprise? (1 pt) Something about not wanting anything to do with animals unless they were frozen and wrapped in cellophane. (I nearly said "wrapped in plastic", but that was Laura Palmer.) > >#6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team >voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if you >can tell me the new names chosen for them.) Henry and Joon. No that was a movie. The other rabbit had a boys name. Henry and George. Their new names are Spike and Lynda on account that they are good breeders (*what* was Tiddler thinking?) > >#7 With what PG character is the word "custard" best associated with? >(1 pt) That lady wgo was fired for mixing it in with the potatoes, Beth Davenport. Yesterday's News > >#8 So far, ex-PG director Bob Spiers has not teamed up with Britney >Spears yet. What was the last former pop culture (now washed up) phenomenon >he tried to make movie stars? (1 point) THe Spice Girls, with a movie that I have avoided. > >#9 What does Colin call the "suckers" he's selling to the public, and >where on your body would you wear one? (2 points) Rubberised Tension Extractor, worn on the forehead > >#10 The door of Frazz's apartment has a very unusual distinguishing >characteristic. 1 point if you can tell me what it is, and a bonus point if >you can name for me the famous tv character whose door has the same basic >feature. A large eye painted around the keyhole. Which was also in the Avengers, but I have no idea whose apartment it was. Either Emma Peel or John Steed. Sorry about the Henry and Joon thing. Those two names just seem to go together. LIke Spike and Lynda. Alli --- "I believe in Karma, what you give is what you get returned." Savage Garden, Affirmation Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct From saffron at citynet.net Tue Jul 11 03:16:43 2000 From: saffron at citynet.net (Mann) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:16:43 -0400 Subject: Chicken Run Message-ID: <001101bfeade$0fbac180$8f5b44cf@mann> I can't believe no one is discussing the PG reference in CR...... Or am I the only one who got it? Karen ****** The Romans didn't find algebra very challenging, because X was always 10. From natacha_t at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:56:35 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [ot] Richard E Grant, Dexter Fletcher and Bill Murray. Yumbo humbo Message-ID: <20000711025635.10514.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> --- Marianna Longmire wrote: > > > > > Have you seen him in Dr Who the Case of the Fatal > > Death - so much sexier than Hugh Grant. > > > > Alas, I haven't seen that particular ep although I > would very much like to. > The ABC is selling the video which includes interveiws and stuff at the end - with Julia Sawahla, Steven Moffat and other people invovled. Its well worth getting. Natacha > Hey, did anyone else notice that Dexter made a > v.brief appearance in the Man > Who Knew Too Little? > > smiles > m > > > > Bill Murray rocks my world. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From natacha_t at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:27:20 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Pronouncing names - OT but On. Message-ID: <20000711022720.4811.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> --- Cameene Pitters wrote: > Well, since Eavan, Maya and L...h did it, Cameene > will do it too. > It's Cameene pronounced: "Ki-meen". I bet none of > you got that. > I tell you, if ONE more person calls me Car-meen-ie, > I'll do a hypothetical > Kenny! > Well I guess I might as well jump on the bandwagon. For those who have noticed - my name is spelt Natacha and not the traditional Natasha. In fact they are pronounced exactly the same. Natacha > Actually, I *have* been calling Eavan "Evan" for the > past 17 months. > > Cameene - I blame the parents, they started it. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maya Crabtree > [SMTP:maya_crabtree at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:12 AM > > > > >It's always surprised me how British people have > such difficulty > > >pronouncing my name, L...h, when they see it > written down! There have > > been > > >SO many mispronunciations of my first name, from > "leeth" to "lee-eth" and > > > > >"lyeth" (one syllable) to "lye-eth" (two > syllables). I know my name is > > >unusual in the West but its pronunciation > *should* be very simple to the > > >British as there is a word in the English > language that rhymes with my > > name > > >exactly, and that word is FAITH (which is also a > not very common woman's > > >name). So when people mispronounce my name they > are either being stupid > > or > > >deliberately awkward. > > > > I understand. I have a double problem. When I am > in England, no one knows > > how exactly to pronounce my name. It's Maya. > simple. no round sylables. > > Just > > MA-YA. but even my relatives still calle me Mia or > May-a > > . Whereas, In Israel I have aa different problem - > my surname. > > We are the ONLY Crabtrees in Israel (not a very > big country, I admit, but > > still 6 million people to choose from). And NO one > knows how to pronounce > > it. It's difficult to explain because in English A > E I O & U are there to > > help you understand what kind of sound you're > supposed to make with all > > those consenants. But - if you know anything about > Arabic - Hebrew is > > pretty > > much the same - there are just the regular letters > and signs under and > > above > > them (in hebrew under , in arabic more above) that > tell you how to > > pronounce > > them. However, this is only done for little > children just learing o read, > > Older people already recognize all the words and > are supposed to know how > > to > > pronounce them. BTw, that is the reason that SO > many people make > > pronunciation mistakes in Hebrew, the slang is > more a mis-pronunciation of > > > > regular words than actually inventing NEW words. > So they say instead of > > Crabtree (and Hebrew-spekaer do not have ROUND > 'R's anyway) - > > Cravtri > > Cravtari > > Crebtri > > Cravatri > > Craviteri > > and so on, all kinds of mistakes. Hardly EVER did > anyone get it right the > > first time they read it, and seldom di they get it > right after I correct > > them. Teachers who've known me some years still > don't get it right. > > and the funniest time was when someone called for > my mother from some > > insurance company and asked for Mrs. Carefree.... > :-))) > > > > > > I love hebrew and English. I generally things that > English and French and > > MUCH nicer and more pleasant to the ear. But > Hebrew and Arabic (and > > Aramic, > > btw, which is not used these days) have something > very special in them. > > (which of course, always brings the subject to the > inocent and banal wish > > for all Semic people to unite and live > harnoniuously etc, etc, damn it, I > > hope they sign a peace agreement next week in Camp > David). > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > Maya > > ("Kate") > > > > > > > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily > represent those of Channel Four Television > Corporation unless specifically > stated. This email and any files transmitted are > confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to > which they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please > notify > postmaster at channel4.co.uk > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From prydonia at accn.org Tue Jul 11 03:56:55 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:56:55 -0400 Subject: [OT] Web Page & Fan Fiction Update Message-ID: <003601bfeae3$b465a7e0$098b78d8@prydonia> Here's the latest news from yours truly.... Kevin has a Web Page Mistress! Yes, Ruth Sanders has been playing around with developing a more professional page for yours truly to call home. It is far from complete, although I understand the "Stealing Eden" stories are now over there in their entirety. The address for the new page: www.angelfire.com/wy/marriner/index.html That will be a space to watch in the future as she gets more stuff copied over. Thanks a bunch in advance for the work, Ruth. :-) The old http://marriner.homestead.com address is still good and is being updated again now that Homestead has decided it has found my files once more. Those of you who have been wondering when I'm going to write anything new (Steve has been far busier than I have lately, but then again, I've got a more interesting life than he does.) will find I have posted some demo work on the site for my editors to look at and comment on when they have the time and inclination. Be advised that these are ROUGH DRAFTS! My editors make me look good, and if you read stuff they haven't, you'll notice the difference. *g* Seeing as how it is a demo site, I've just thrown it together in a hurry. http://marriner.homestead.com/Story_demos.html is the site, and the files are there to download for viewing rather than being on-line themselves. Like I said, I was in a hurry today. I hope some of it works.....and it will likely be the place to go to find new writings I do before they get done up all nice and pretty in html. Oh, yes...most of the stuff on the page is to do with the Paul & Sarah/"Dr. Who" story "Blood of Eden". Scroll down a bit and you'll come to a couple bits of "Everybody Wants You II"....that's going to be the new Junior Gazette story that I'll work on more steadily once I find out what happens in the other story. I'm kind of liking the idea of Lynda throwing an ashtray at a Britney Spears-ish character and Colin appearing in drag. The editors are kind of interested in it, too....that always helps. *g* Kevin "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From jordang at bit.net.au Tue Jul 11 04:25:25 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:25:25 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] re: Chicken Run References: <001101bfeade$0fbac180$8f5b44cf@mann> Message-ID: <002901bfeae7$aaa2bc80$2d2bd7d2@pavilion> > I can't believe no one is discussing the PG reference in CR...... > > Or am I the only one who got it? > Possible reasons could be that a majority (i.e. the Aussies) of listees haven't seen it yet...and that those who have seen it just didn't want to spoil it for us? Maybe? (Kenny: I have faith in humanity. Lynda: Yeah? Well you don't get out much!) In any case, I'm *really* tempted to know what that reference is now! Richard, who wishes *he* had a mis-pronouncable name... From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Tue Jul 11 01:52:36 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:52:36 +1000 Subject: [OT] Chicken Run In-Reply-To: <3969FAA3.650690E6@nw.com.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000711003632.008a36f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000711105148.01c27450@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, For those that can't wait until Chicken Run is released at the cinema... Beginning today (Monday) and continuing through Friday, DreamWorks will be running the first 10 minutes of Chicken Run on the Web site www.countingdown.com. Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Tue Jul 11 06:12:59 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:12:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Chicken Run In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000711105148.01c27450@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <3969FAA3.650690E6@nw.com.au> <3.0.5.32.20000711003632.008a36f0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000711151139.0218af10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, > Beginning today (Monday) and continuing through Friday, DreamWorks will >be running the first 10 minutes of Chicken Run on the Web site >www.countingdown.com. *** I know, I know, responding to my own email is bad. According to the www.countingdown.com site, there are only seven minutes available, not ten as reported in my original source. Trav. From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Tue Jul 11 09:30:45 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:30:45 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] (OT) Trivia Contest Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Allison K East [SMTP:hopalong_pxp at mailcity.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:02 AM > > > >#6 Speaking of rabbits, what were they named before the news team > >voted to re-name them? (2 pts for the old names, and a bonus point if > you > >can tell me the new names chosen for them.) > > Henry and Joon. No that was a movie. The other rabbit had a boys name. > Henry and George. Their new names are Spike and Lynda on account that they > are good breeders (*what* was Tiddler thinking?) > > > Sorry about the Henry and Joon thing. Those two names just seem to go > together. LIke Spike and Lynda. > > Alli > Wasn't it "Benny and Joon"? If not, why do I think it is? Wasn't there a British sitcom called "Henry and June" with June Whitfield? No wait, it was "Terry and June" and then later there was a "Terry and Julian". Who played "Joon"? I know Johnny Deppy was "Henry"... or "Benny". Or am I thinking of a TOTALLY different film? Um... Cameene - who used to pretend her middle name was Henry ("Long story, mostly dull"). Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Tue Jul 11 09:07:55 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:07:55 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] (OT) Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20000711175750.01c59e60@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Cameene, > Wasn't it "Benny and Joon"? If not, why do I think it is? *** Yes, the movie was called "Benny and Joon". > Who played "Joon"? I know Johnny Deppy was "Henry"... or "Benny". *** Johnny Depp = Sam. Mary Stuart Masterton = Joon. Adian Quinn = Benny. Trav, who knew Johnny Depp did not play Benny, so had to resort to imdb.com for his character's name. --- Sam: How sick is she? Benny: Oh, she's plenty sick. Sam: Oh. Because you know, it seems to me that, aside from being a little mentally ill, she's pretty normal. --- ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From calum.junk at btinternet.com Tue Jul 11 10:56:19 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:56:19 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] (OT) Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001bfeb1e$42fa2820$a88801d5@calum> > -----Original Message----- > From: Cameene Pitters [mailto:CPitters at Channel4.co.uk] > Wasn't it "Benny and Joon"? Yep. Notable for giving The Proclaimers (Hibs-supporting geeky identical twins from Auchtermuchty) their only hit to date in the States (500 Miles), and for then pissing off their record company by refusing to let them re-release the album over there from whence it came (Sunshine on Leith). Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Tue Jul 11 11:02:47 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:02:47 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] (OT) Trivia Contest In-Reply-To: <000001bfeb1e$42fa2820$a88801d5@calum> References: <" Message-ID: <4.1.20000711200114.01b4a150@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Calum, >Yep. Notable for giving The Proclaimers (Hibs-supporting geeky identical >twins from Auchtermuchty) their only hit to date in the States (500 Miles), >and for then pissing off their record company by refusing to let them >re-release the album over there from whence it came (Sunshine on Leith). *** Also notable as being the only movie where my group of friends and I nearly got turfed out of the cinema in the first five minutes for singing along with the theme music. "Oh, I would walk five hoondred miles..." Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From prydonia at accn.org Tue Jul 11 11:01:05 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:01:05 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <003201bfeb1e$f0f81680$868b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 12, 2000 Kevin is delighted to find out that our old friend Jocelyn from Perth has gotten back from the wilds of Siberia....and in honor of her return, I dedicate today's Quote of the Day to her...and her fellow Russian emigre. *g* Czar: I thought you was dead. Maybe it was me. Spike: If you're really the rightful Czar of all Russia, how come you are in this café? Czar: I'm in between reigns. Do you want a pie? Spike: Do you still keep give a discount to anyone who can finish them? Czar: I've still never had to. Spike: I'll just have a Coke. Czar: Why don't you have a "Winter Palace"? Spike: What's that? Czar: That's a Coke with ice in it. Spike: But you always gave ice with your Cokes. Czar: Yeah. Only now you've got to pay for it. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Tue Jul 11 13:13:56 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:13:56 -0000 Subject: Using quotes. Message-ID: My manager just overheard me saying: "I'm so cool I could spit ice-cubes." and he laughed. Cameene Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Tue Jul 11 19:23:08 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:23:08 -0000 Subject: L...h - OT Message-ID: There's a "L...h" on the E-millionaire show tonight on Channel 4. What are the chances, eh? Uk-ers, vote for viewahotel.com!! ...or not. Cameene Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From calum.junk at btinternet.com Tue Jul 11 18:25:30 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:25:30 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] L...h - OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601bfeb5d$03205640$a88801d5@calum> > -----Original Message----- > From: Cameene Pitters [mailto:CPitters at Channel4.co.uk] > There's a "L...h" on the E-millionaire show tonight on Channel 4. > What are the chances, eh? > > Uk-ers, vote for viewahotel.com!!...or not. Actually, the only one I trust is Jon Snow... Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 11 13:05:09 2000 From: aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk (L...h J...i) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:05:09 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] julia news and flaws Message-ID: <003f01bfeb63$c6c74120$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> The Daily Telegraph (an English newspaper) ran a virtually identical article last week. I have cut it out and will try to get it online soon. (Yes, I know, I've been promising to get my Julia interviews online for about a year now......) Nice to see from this latest article that she has found love again at last! Aaaar. L...h - - - - - - - - - - From: "Flozzlehooter Hardy-Weinburg" Stepping out of the shadows to become a contributor PLUS the admittance of being a perthian shouting julia news for all to hear. The west Australian (for all those with access)Friday 7/7 page 8 entertainment section has a article and picture entitled soul searching for sawalha and a pic with caption 'bouncing back..Julia Sawalha colour pic mind u. A rundown of the article is a small promo for chicken run but a major focus on a incident where Julia left her mobile at a bar someone picks it up finds the number of her parents and rings them telling them Jules was mangled in a car wreck. This in combination with Nadia's husband commiting suicide. It then goes on to Julias pick me up on the greenpeace thingos and predicts mirrorball and quote 'is set to appear in Time Gentlemen please in which she plays an up for it Australian barmaid' If anyone requires further information or would like a transcript of the article mail me off list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000711/606f96ff/attachment.htm From aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 11 19:14:03 2000 From: aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk (L...h J...i) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:14:03 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] julia news and flaws Message-ID: <008201bfeb63$d86bdb20$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> The Daily Telegraph (an English newspaper) ran a virtually identical article last week. I have cut it out and will try to get it online soon. (Yes, I know, I've been promising to get my Julia interviews online for about a year now......) Nice to see from this latest article that she has found love again at last! Aaaar. L...h - - - - - - - - - - From: "Flozzlehooter Hardy-Weinburg" Stepping out of the shadows to become a contributor PLUS the admittance of being a perthian shouting julia news for all to hear. The west Australian (for all those with access)Friday 7/7 page 8 entertainment section has a article and picture entitled soul searching for sawalha and a pic with caption 'bouncing back..Julia Sawalha colour pic mind u. A rundown of the article is a small promo for chicken run but a major focus on a incident where Julia left her mobile at a bar someone picks it up finds the number of her parents and rings them telling them Jules was mangled in a car wreck. This in combination with Nadia's husband commiting suicide. It then goes on to Julias pick me up on the greenpeace thingos and predicts mirrorball and quote 'is set to appear in Time Gentlemen please in which she plays an up for it Australian barmaid' If anyone requires further information or would like a transcript of the article mail me off list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000711/76d8bd82/attachment.htm From aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 11 19:14:06 2000 From: aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk (L...h J...i) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:14:06 +0100 Subject: RE RE: [pressgang] Pronouncing names - OT Message-ID: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> I'm afraid I *also* thought it was 'Kuh-meene' (with the stress on the second syllable). Sorry, Cammie. I know what you mean about the French - my grandmother is French, and all her relatives in France (when I go to stay with them) call me 'Let', or even 'Less'!! This is because the French (bless 'em) cannot pronounce the 'th' sound same as us. But does that make it alright? Does it hell! I bet no one can guess how to pronounce my surname? Well, it's kinda like 'jow-zee'. The stress is on the first syllable which, incidentally, rhymes with the exclamations 'Ow!' and 'Wow!' Geddit? Course you do. My French grandmother thinks it is utterly ridiculous how the English have come up with so many variants of names. For instance, take the name 'Richard' and see how many variations you can think of: Rich, Richie, Ritchie, Richey, Richee, Rick, Ricky, Rickey, Rickie, Ricki, Ric, Dick, Dickie, Dickey. And what about 'Margaret'? Mag, Maggi, Maggie, Mags, Meg, Megs, Meggi, Meggie, Peg, Pegs, Peggy, Peggie, Pegi, Margy, Marge, Margey, Margie, Margi........... it just goes on and on! Not to mention 'Elizabeth'... Ok, so this is not strictly related but what the hell. L...h - - - - - - - - - - From: Cameene Pitters Well, if you're an Irish male with a relatively deep voice (like two of my college lecturers), you can get away with the very harsh "Ca" sound. Any other accent saying it (even my own) just gets right on my tits. A Welsh bloke I knew opted for the "K'meen"/"Kuh-meen" cos he's just got a very "lazy" voice. Another girl and I used to spend many happy minutes teasing him until he was red in the face about the way he said "t'thbrush". A small child came up with "Keh-meen" which was rather cute but now he's too old to get away with it. And of course, there's those with French accents... Actually, I'm kinda soft on regional accents too, like the bloke from York who for a short while managed to pronounce "Cameene" as "Flower". > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Cox [SMTP:t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:39 PM > > Cameene, > > >It's Cameene pronounced: "Ki-meen". I bet none of you got that. > >I tell you, if ONE more person calls me Car-meen-ie, I'll do a > hypothetical > >Kenny! > > That one surprises me. I would have pronounced it with a very > harsh > "Ca" sound, probably like the beginning of "cat". But as for adding the > "ie" > on the end, that never occurred to me. I have always just thought of it > as > "ca-meen". I have been saying it aloud several times now as I write this > email, and I think perhaps I might even pronounce it as K'meen, rather > like > G'kar, if there are any B5 fans out there who know what I am talking > about. > > Travis Cox, who hates it when people call him "Trevor Skocks"... > I'll not be doing that then, lad - but can I call you "TAC" just to annoy Darling Steve? Cameene - fickle, but hey, she *is* a female (of sorts). Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000711/f5d5b2e2/attachment.htm From jordang at bit.net.au Wed Jul 12 02:17:12 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:12 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] It's my Birthday Today! References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> Message-ID: <003a01bfeb9e$e9848700$c62bd7d2@pavilion> It's my birthday today! Richard, waiting patiently for *that* response... :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000712/52980ff9/attachment.htm From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 12 02:17:28 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:28 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] It's my Birthday Today! In-Reply-To: <003a01bfeb9e$e9848700$c62bd7d2@pavilion> References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> Message-ID: <4.1.20000712111603.01b55140@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Richard, > > It's my birthday today! > > Richard, waiting patiently for *that* response... :-) *** All I can say is to beware the large dancing compost heap that calls itself "Grandop The Magnificent"... Trav, knowing Richard was not expecting *that* response... ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From s349740 at student.uq.edu.au Wed Jul 12 03:09:41 2000 From: s349740 at student.uq.edu.au (Bec) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:09:41 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] It's my Birthday Today! References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> <003a01bfeb9e$e9848700$c62bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <006b01bfeba6$3f14f5e0$f524a8c0@stjohn.uq.edu.au> I give in... "No it's not" Bec (breathlessly awaiting the next line...) ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd. To: Press Gang Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [pressgang] It's my Birthday Today! It's my birthday today! Richard, waiting patiently for *that* response... :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000712/a22e1848/attachment.htm From prydonia at accn.org Wed Jul 12 11:10:48 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:10:48 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day/Oh, no it isn't!! Message-ID: <004701bfebe9$7959d160$4d8b78d8@prydonia> Ruth says (after a long string of bad words....jk) that the new web page is *not* yet ready to rumble, so to Murray and everyone else...please be patient! QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 11, 2000 (Yes, Kevin got the date wrong yesterday. So this is yesterday's qotd, I guess *g*) Frazz: I think Lynda's gonna cut the horoscopes. Spike: Well, you should have..... Frazz: ....seen it coming, yeah. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Wed Jul 12 14:44:41 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:44:41 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] It's my Birthday Today! In-Reply-To: <003a01bfeb9e$e9848700$c62bd7d2@pavilion> References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000712234441.00887d40@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 11:17 12/07/00 +1000, you wrote: > It's my birthday today! No it isn't! It's very important we do this for each other, you know. Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Wed Jul 12 14:49:30 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:49:30 +1000 Subject: Bris Meeting In-Reply-To: <003a01bfeb9e$e9848700$c62bd7d2@pavilion> References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> Just to reprise what Richard said earlier - damn fine Bris PG meet last week. We had some really cracking conversations, watched some brilliant eps and really enjoyed watching together. Something quite alien to me because almost nobody I know likes the shows I like, and that includes things like Buffy, despite the PG guys saying that "everyone watches Buffy". That's why I have to talk about Buff on this list. Actually, tho, I've got a solution to that problem. I've started up my own list to talk about Buffy - and any other TV show under the sun we like. Anyone interested in joining can mail me off list. Anyway, my real porpoise here is just to say thanks all for coming along, an absolute tops night, and let's do it again ASAP, huh? I nominate early September, before everyone goes overseas. I'm putting this on-list so any new Brisbaners can get in on the act, as usual. Cheerybye, Steve From jordang at bit.net.au Wed Jul 12 15:32:29 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:32:29 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Bris Meeting References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> <3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <002501bfec0e$02a617c0$6a2bd7d2@pavilion> > > Anyway, my real porpoise here is just to say thanks all for coming along, > an absolute tops night, and let's do it again ASAP, huh? I nominate early > September, before everyone goes overseas. I'm putting this on-list so any > new Brisbaners can get in on the act, as usual. > My friend Michael suggested today that us Brisbanites should all go and see 'Chicken Run' together when it comes out. Sounds fun to me. Anyway that's not for ages but I thought I may as well bring it up. And thanks folks for the "No it isn't!" well-wishing (and that rather odd response from Trav...) :-) Richard -- "Musically, we are more talented than any Bob Dylan. Musically, we are more talented than Paul McCartney. Mick Jagger, his lines are not clear. He don't know how he should produce a sound. I'm the new modern rock-and-roll. I'm the new Elvis." - Robert Pilatus of 'Milli Vanilli', later found to be lip-synching to prerecorded songs sung by others. (priceless, innit?!) From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 12 16:25:40 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:25:40 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] re: Chicken Run Message-ID: <015b01bfec15$70ff2160$ca49893e@default> -----Original Message----- From: Mann To: Press Gang List Date: 11 July 2000 03:17 Subject: [pressgang] re: Chicken Run >I can't believe no one is discussing the PG reference in CR...... > >Or am I the only one who got it? Well, I still haven't seen it yet, so can you let us in on it without spoiling the plot? Cheers... David. -- This week I have been mostly re-reading: "The well-mannered war" by Gareth Roberts. ICQ# 78909487 http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From colin at caulkins.org Wed Jul 12 16:33:08 2000 From: colin at caulkins.org (Colin Caulkins) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] re: Chicken Run In-Reply-To: <015b01bfec15$70ff2160$ca49893e@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mann wrote: > I can't believe no one is discussing the PG reference in CR...... > > Or am I the only one who got it? I was reminded of "Page One" when Ginger yelled at everyone to be quiet, but that can't be what you mean, can it? From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:03:02 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hey is there a video out? Message-ID: <20000712170302.11199.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com> Hey someone mentioned that there was some sort of video for sale by ABC? If anyone knows what or who or where it is or can be found could ya let me know...and I haven't seen chicken run yet either but here in the US it is getting great reviews... Thanks all so much hope everyone is having a blessed day. Melissa from US; hey do I still have to specify hwere I am from or can you all tell the diff between me and kevins melissa? :) ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From saffron at citynet.net Thu Jul 13 00:14:18 2000 From: saffron at citynet.net (Mann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:14:18 -0400 Subject: Chicken Run (spoiler) References: Message-ID: <004a01bfec56$eb3f4cc0$915844cf@mann> > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mann wrote: > > > I can't believe no one is discussing the PG reference in CR...... > > > > Or am I the only one who got it? > > Colin replied: I was reminded of "Page One" when Ginger yelled at everyone to be quiet, > but that can't be what you mean, can it? Fowler's comment muttered about Rocky --- "I don't even think he's a real American." Yeah, I know Mel's an Aussie but I still think it's cute...... From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Thu Jul 13 00:55:42 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:55:42 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Chicken Run (spoiler) In-Reply-To: <004a01bfec56$eb3f4cc0$915844cf@mann> References: Message-ID: <4.1.20000713095338.021eb1b0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, >Fowler's comment muttered about Rocky --- "I don't even think he's a real >American." Yeah, I know Mel's an Aussie but I still think it's cute...... *** Actually, he is an American. Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Thu Jul 13 00:57:24 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:57:24 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? In-Reply-To: <20000712170302.11199.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000713095600.021ee830@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Melissa, > Melissa from US; hey do I >still have to specify hwere I am from or can you all >tell the diff between me and kevins melissa? :) *** I don't know about anyone else, but for me, that tagline of yours makes things pretty easy to tell the difference. Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Thu Jul 13 00:59:30 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:59:30 +1000 Subject: birthdays, compost and milli vanilli In-Reply-To: <002501bfec0e$02a617c0$6a2bd7d2@pavilion> References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> <3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000713095800.021ecf10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Richard, >And thanks folks for the "No it isn't!" well-wishing (and that rather odd >response from Trav...) *** What else did you expect? You'd worry about my health if I just gave the standard line....*grin* Trav. PS: Cracked up over that Milli Vanilli quote. That was an absolute pearler. From prydonia at accn.org Thu Jul 13 11:02:36 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:02:36 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day/Domestic bliss update Message-ID: <006b01bfecb1$7a80ef60$938b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 13, 2000 Lynda: Colin, there's a phone line between their building and ours. What do we tell them it is---an electric washing line? **************************************************************************** ********************* This may get me a nomination for Travis' Stupid Person of the Day, but here goes: For the better part of a year, my scanner has sat along with my computer hardware taunting me. It likes to do that. It never worked right, finally wouldn't cooperate at all with the computer, and I got mad and unplugged the whole blasted thing. Melissa wanted to borrow it to scan baby pictures to friends and work on her web page. 'If you can get it to work, you can borrow it for a while,' I said. Last night, we hooked the thing up. Works like a charm now. Does things for her I never even knew it could do. That thing just purrs like a kitten for her. (Major jealousy outbreak here.) 'Do I get it back?' I asked. She smiled. 'If you marry me.' "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From jordang at bit.net.au Thu Jul 13 12:59:45 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:59:45 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] birthdays, compost and milli vanilli References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer><3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.1.20000713095800.021ecf10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <002101bfecc1$d824d900$be2bd7d2@pavilion> > > PS: Cracked up over that Milli Vanilli quote. That was an absolute pearler. Tee hee! I got it from this "The 365 Stupidest Things Ever Said" off-the-wall calandar that sits next to my computer. I recommend you get one yourself for next year - they're always good for a chuckle. Richard, resorting to a quote underneath this line as the only means to actually making this relevant to Press Gang... -- Julie: You really are completely amoral, aren't you?! Lynda: Is that bad? From jordang at bit.net.au Thu Jul 13 13:15:59 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:15:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer><3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.1.20000713095800.021ecf10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <002901bfecc4$1bdee1c0$be2bd7d2@pavilion> I was fortunate enough to score an Ab Fab video amongst my birthday presents and was watching an ep last night, saw it was made in 1994, did the maths and realised that it was (Ab Fab) series 2 and that series 1 would have been made in '93, and was struck by a thought of how Julia must have coped in '93, juggling the two parts I mean. I understand the press gang schedule had to be completely arranged around her commitments to Ab Fab, and it must have been difficult to jump from one part to the next each day - and two very different characters as well. Of course, being a brilliant actress she pulled it off without a hitch - or did she? Is there anyone on-list who's an ardent Ab Fab fan and can think of a moment in series 1 where Saffy shows 'Lynda' tendancies? Or indeed Lynda shows Saffy tendancies in PG series 5? It could just be a mannerism, a tone of voice, a look, something. I've been racking my brains about the PG question, but I can't see any Saffy tendencies in Series 5 Lynda from what I remember. I think it's just because Julia was just so comfortable in that role by '93 that it was almosty second nature to her, and she could pull off the bitchiness etcetera seemlessly. But in series 1 Ab Fab she would have just been settling into her new role, and so the chances of her reverting to Lynda mannerisms for comic effect may have been greater. Of course, i'm not terribly familiar with series 1 Ab Fab at all - so does anyone out there who is have an opinion about potential Lynda/Saffy crossovers in Julia's acting? Or indeed, does anyone have an opinion about the link between Saffy and Lynda character-wise? At first glance they seem miles apart - introverted versus extroverted and all - but are there more similarities between them then one might think? OK, I've asked a lot of questions here but I hope someone out there feels inclined to answer some of them. That would have been an extremely chaotic period in Julia's life in '93, juggling the two roles; trying to be the naive daughter and the mega-bitch from hell all at once - as well of course just being Julia and braving the by-now-turbulent waters of her relationship with Dexter. But I digress... Thoughts? Opinions? Useless facts? Richard, now a big brave 18 year old (apparently) From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 15:05:20 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: oh Trav... Message-ID: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> --- Travis Cox wrote: > *** I don't know about anyone else, but for me, > that tagline of yours makes > things pretty easy to tell the difference. > > Trav. """""Hey trav was that a crack at my tag line...LOL...I like it don't you? anyway I wil no longer write Melissa from the us...LOL :) ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Thu Jul 13 16:40:59 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:40:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Bris Meeting In-Reply-To: <002501bfec0e$02a617c0$6a2bd7d2@pavilion> References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> <3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000714014059.0087de80@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 12:32 13/07/00 +1000, you wrote: >> >> Anyway, my real porpoise here is just to say thanks all for coming along, >> an absolute tops night, and let's do it again ASAP, huh? I nominate early >> September, before everyone goes overseas. I'm putting this on-list so any >> new Brisbaners can get in on the act, as usual. >> > >My friend Michael suggested today that us Brisbanites should all go and see >'Chicken Run' together when it comes out. Sounds fun to me. Anyway that's >not for ages but I thought I may as well bring it up. Brilliant idea! Bring it on! Anyone know a vague release date of CR in Bris? >And thanks folks for the "No it isn't!" well-wishing (and that rather odd >response from Trav...) This is why this list exists. Because all of us have a strong need for this exchange, and we just can't get it from our friends because they Just Don't Understand. Cheers, Steve, looking forward to his third birthday on list at the end of this year. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Thu Jul 13 16:59:59 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:59:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy In-Reply-To: <002901bfecc4$1bdee1c0$be2bd7d2@pavilion> References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer> <3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.1.20000713095800.021ecf10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000714015959.00879180@mail.futureweb.com.au> Interesting coincidence about Lynda and Saffy - I'm madly in love with both of them. Saffy more so though. That was what really sparked my Sawalha affection in the first place (and resurged my interest in Press Gang a fair bit too). It wasn't just the geekiness, it was also the glasses. Something about glasses just melts my potatoes. Fave episode, of course, is "Morocco" - Saffy gets into some tight swimming togs (how many times did I put that on slow?), and later has kinky sex with a Moroccan stud (and thus is one of the very few times Saffy beats her mother and is rebellious and all) Fab. In fact, Saffy was the only reason I ever really watched Ab Fab - I don't like it much at all. Saffy and Lynda likenesses? Heaps. Pick any moment when Saffy is telling her mother off. She's instantly Lynda. She's tight lipped, anal and an authority figure, with a strict code of conduct and a constant repression of her emotions. Tres Lynda. This is mostly personality, but she brings it out in a very similar way, since it's a similar personality. Compare that with Martin Chuzzlewit say (the third thing I ever saw her in), where she is what I refer to as "giggly Julia". Very different. That took quite a gear change. Originally, I thought she only had two moulds, giggly (Chuzzlewit and that other period piece she was in) and serious (Saffy and Lynda). Then I saw A Midwinter's Tale and realised she could really, really act her little socks off. (she acted so well in this I forgot she was Julia Sawalha. Given how attracted I am to JS, this is no mean feat) I think you may be right though - the earlier eps Saffy has less depth and does feel and act a lot more like Lynda than in the third series. I had originally put this down to just the character developing, but I'd say Richard's theory was also a factor. Eeeexcellent. Can't think of a particular moment though - my memory of that series is pretty blurred. But I have the impression you're right. Cheerybye, Steve PS Mmmm....Saffy glasses....arargahrgahgraghagahgahrgargrrgrgrgrg.... From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 17:41:54 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy Message-ID: <20000713164154.26668.qmail@web1601.mail.yahoo.com> Steve yes I am partial to glasses since I do wear them but come on now...LOL...Saffy ha...j/k I did like her as well but I thunk I liked the way Julia did Lynda better...maybe it's cause I am in love with Dexter...LOL Melissa ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 13 12:36:22 2000 From: aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk (L...h J...i) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:36:22 +0100 Subject: Re Re: [pressgang] Chicken Run (spoiler) Message-ID: <000001bfeced$6515e040$f255883e@pbncomputer> *I* got the reference when I went to see Chicken Run last week! I even wondered if Nick Park and co. had PG in mind when they partnered Julia with another "American", Mel Gibson. Rocky the Rooster, like Spike in PG, is a bit of a poser and a hit with the ladies, while Ginger, played by Julia, is the bossy ringleader. And towards the end of the film Ginger slaps Rocky and then immediately kisses him! Now what does *that* remind you of? :) L...h - - - - - - - - - - From: "Mann" > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mann wrote: > > > I can't believe no one is discussing the PG reference in CR...... > > > > Or am I the only one who got it? > > Colin replied: I was reminded of "Page One" when Ginger yelled at everyone to be quiet, > but that can't be what you mean, can it? Fowler's comment muttered about Rocky --- "I don't even think he's a real American." Yeah, I know Mel's an Aussie but I still think it's cute...... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000713/148fa68f/attachment.htm From godiva at kublai.com Thu Jul 13 22:55:42 2000 From: godiva at kublai.com (Godiva Cully) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:55:42 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] re: Chicken Run In-Reply-To: <002901bfeae7$aaa2bc80$2d2bd7d2@pavilion>; from jordang@bit.net.au on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:25:25PM +1000 References: <001101bfeade$0fbac180$8f5b44cf@mann> <002901bfeae7$aaa2bc80$2d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <20000713175542.A13508@rhodes.kublai.com> > Possible reasons could be that a majority (i.e. the Aussies) of listees > haven't seen it yet...and that those who have seen it just didn't want to > spoil it for us? > > Maybe? As one of the few who've seen it this far into my inbox, if such a connection exists, than I for one would agree that any such connection should be discussed as a spoiler. --Eavan :) -- Just go with the flow control, roll with the crunches, and, when you get a prompt, type like hell. From owl_post at btinternet.com Thu Jul 13 23:14:12 2000 From: owl_post at btinternet.com (Bel-Imperia) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:14:12 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy References: <008401bfeb63$dc164580$d3cf883e@pbncomputer><3.0.5.32.20000712234930.00876d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.1.20000713095800.021ecf10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> <002901bfecc4$1bdee1c0$be2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <003201bfed17$adc283a0$c8ce01d5@oemcomputer> > I was fortunate enough to score an Ab Fab video amongst my birthday presents Well, it's a day late, but I'll say it anyway - 'No it isn't!' - hope you had a good one! Bel, writing this in full Rocky Horror regalia having just timewarped her little booty off. From natacha_t at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 00:48:49 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy Message-ID: <20000713234849.12961.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Is > there anyone on-list who's > an ardent Ab Fab fan Me : ) and can think of a moment in > series 1 where Saffy shows > 'Lynda' tendancies? Or indeed Lynda shows Saffy > tendancies in PG series 5? > It could just be a mannerism, a tone of voice, a > look, something. Not that I've ever noticed, maybe sometimes when she's yelling at her mother but even then not really. I've been > racking my brains about the PG question, but I can't > see any Saffy > tendencies in Series 5 Lynda from what I remember. > I think it's just > because Julia was just so comfortable in that role > by '93 that it was > almosty second nature to her, and she could pull off > the bitchiness etcetera > seemlessly. But in series 1 Ab Fab she would have > just been settling into > her new role, and so the chances of her reverting to > Lynda mannerisms for > comic effect may have been greater. I wouldn't have thought so - She's got completly differnt people around her so she'd be reacting to them as well. > OK, I've asked a lot of questions here but I hope > someone out there feels > inclined to answer some of them. That would have > been an extremely chaotic > period in Julia's life in '93, juggling the two > roles; trying to be the > naive daughter and the mega-bitch from hell all at > once - as well of course > just being Julia and braving the by-now-turbulent > waters of her relationship > with Dexter. Naive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really haven't seen much of Ab Fab have you. Saffy's not naive she's complelty in control and knows it. Every act is caculated to acheive maximum anoyance of her mother. Saffy has a good time when her mother's not around. Natacha > But I digress... > > Thoughts? Opinions? Useless facts? > > Richard, now a big brave 18 year old (apparently) > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From natacha_t at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 00:54:59 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy Message-ID: <20000713235500.24128.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> > Fave episode, of course, > is "Morocco" - Saffy gets into some tight swimming > togs (how many times did > I put that on slow?), and later has kinky sex with a > Moroccan stud (and > thus is one of the very few times Saffy beats her > mother and is rebellious > and all) Fab. I love Morocco too. > > In fact, Saffy was the only reason I ever really > watched Ab Fab - I don't > like it much at all. > > Saffy and Lynda likenesses? Heaps. Pick any moment > when Saffy is telling > her mother off. She's instantly Lynda. She's tight > lipped, anal and an > authority figure, with a strict code of conduct and > a constant repression > of her emotions. Tres Lynda. This is mostly > personality, but she brings > it out in a very similar way, since it's a similar > personality. But Lynda has no morals and no code of conduct which is why she's such a bitch and Saffy has lots of them. > > Compare that with Martin Chuzzlewit say (the third > thing I ever saw her > in), where she is what I refer to as "giggly Julia". > Very different. That > took quite a gear change. Actully I think 'giggly Julia' is closer to what she's really like. Personaly I think that was a brillent perfomance the change in the character through the story fabulous. Natacha > > Cheerybye, > Steve > > PS Mmmm....Saffy > glasses....arargahrgahgraghagahgahrgargrrgrgrgrg.... > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From calum.junk at btinternet.com Fri Jul 14 00:59:10 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:59:10 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy In-Reply-To: <002901bfecc4$1bdee1c0$be2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <000e01bfed26$566eb7e0$aa6b073e@calum> > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd. [mailto:jordang at bit.net.au] > Is there anyone on-list who's an ardent Ab Fab fan Er, probably, but not me... 'fraid the joke wore rather thin after the first, er, episode. Well, okay, half the first episode. Only person worth watching it for was June Whitfield... Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Fri Jul 14 02:22:06 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:22:06 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day/Domestic bliss update In-Reply-To: <006b01bfecb1$7a80ef60$938b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000714112044.01df1640@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Kevin, >'Do I get it back?' I asked. She smiled. 'If you >marry me.' *** You know, you could just buy another one. They're not really that expensive. Certainly not as expensive as the long-term upkeep of a spouse...*laughing* Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Fri Jul 14 02:28:02 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:28:02 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy In-Reply-To: <000e01bfed26$566eb7e0$aa6b073e@calum> References: <002901bfecc4$1bdee1c0$be2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <4.1.20000714112611.009f1170@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Calum, >Er, probably, but not me... 'fraid the joke wore rather thin after the >first, er, episode. Well, okay, half the first episode. Only person worth >watching it for was June Whitfield... *** Fear not, my Scottish associate. You are not alone. I've watched a couple of episodes, and it did nothing for me. I realise that some shows rely on the viewer to know the characters in order to get all the jokes, but it just did not strike me as overly humourous either. Trav, donning flameproof overalls... ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Fri Jul 14 02:33:46 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:33:46 +1000 Subject: [OT] oh Trav... In-Reply-To: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000714112813.009f6af0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Melissa, >"""""Hey trav was that a crack at my tag >line...LOL...I like it don't you? anyway I wil no >longer write Melissa from the us...LOL :) *** I hasten to point out it was not an attack on your tagline. I was merely saying it was the easiest way I could tell the two Melissa's apart. I should have imagined you would have received a good flaming by now if there was anyone vehemently opposed to your choice of tagline. Trav. PS: Yes, that was probably an inappropriate use of the apostrophe there. If anyone can correct me on this (go for it Steve! free shot!!!...*grin*), please do so. "Melissas" just looks like the surname of some Greek person or something. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Fri Jul 14 02:56:31 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:56:31 +1000 Subject: PGML-LIP In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000714112813.009f6af0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000714114431.01db2f10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, Some of you may have noticed that I include a little tagline about the PGML Listee Image Page (PGML-LIP) at the bottom of most of my emails. Some of you have taken action in response to this, and sent me an image so that other listees can put a face to a name, and foster a greater sense of community. Some other people have sort of gotten the idea, and noticed the tagline and calls for pictures, but only gotten that far. Or maybe a little further. Maybe as far as saying "that's a great page and I will be sending my image in to Trav to join the other images". But that's as far as they've gotten, neglecting to do that final step - to actually send me an image. If you are one of those people, I encourage you to actually take the final step. You liked seeing what the other listees looked like. You thought it would be a good idea to put your picture up as well. So, why not take heed of the commercial nature of our planet and ... Just Do It. It'll take about 15 seconds to find the location of the image, set up an email with an attachment and hit the "send" button... Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From gilzy at shanklygates.com Fri Jul 14 07:10:06 2000 From: gilzy at shanklygates.com (Luke Gillman) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:10:06 -0700 Subject: Intro and an intersting tit-bit Message-ID: <200007140610.XAA04683@mail2.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000713/abc15e83/attachment.diff From muzza at pressgang.org Fri Jul 14 08:25:59 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:25:59 +0800 Subject: UKisms Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000714151511.00bb12b0@mail.iinet.net.au> I thought that this site might be of interest if anyone is ever trying to find out what a piece of British slang means (or where it comes from). http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/ Murray ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From prydonia at accn.org Fri Jul 14 10:27:41 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:27:41 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] Bris Meeting Message-ID: <000e01bfed75$c4826660$808b78d8@prydonia> >Just to reprise what Richard said earlier - damn fine Bris PG meet last >week. We had some really cracking conversations, watched some brilliant >eps and really enjoyed watching together. And did Judy remember to take a picture of you guys to send me? Kevin From prydonia at accn.org Fri Jul 14 10:31:33 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:31:33 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day/Domestic bliss update Message-ID: <005401bfed76$4e4f31c0$808b78d8@prydonia> -----Original Message----- From: Travis Cox >>'Do I get it back?' I asked. She smiled. 'If you >>marry me.' > >*** You know, you could just buy another one. They're not really that >expensive. Certainly not as expensive as the long-term upkeep of a >spouse...*laughing* But not nearly as much fun to cuddle, my dear Travis!!! From prydonia at accn.org Fri Jul 14 10:42:08 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:42:08 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <006501bfed77$cc53d340$808b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 14, 2000 Lynda: Colin, if we don't get away with this, I swear I won't even go to your funeral! (BTW, welcome to the list Luke in Melbourne!!!) "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From thlaylirah at geocities.com Sat Jul 15 00:26:57 2000 From: thlaylirah at geocities.com (Thlayli-rah) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:26:57 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Intro and an intersting tit-bit References: <200007140610.XAA04683@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <396FA1C0.2641614A@geocities.com> Yay! About time we had another 16 year old on the list! I'm Corby, I'm female, 16, and I live in New South Wales. And it looks like I will have to give up my title as youngest listee... now I can just be youngest female listee. Great to have some company around all these oldies. ;) *ducks various thrown objects* See you! ~Corby > Dear All, > I've been on this mailing list for only a couple of weeks, but I thought it would be about time to introduce myself to all of you. My name's Luke Gillman, I'm 16, and I live in Melbourne, Australia. Press Gang is definitely one of my favourite TV series in the history of TV, and still have memories of it when i was about 8, in 1992. Anyway, I was recently watching an episode of the 70's-early 80's British comedy 'Shelley', and I noticed that Nadim Sawalha, Julia's father, played the part of a DHSS worker. I thought this was a pretty amazing coincidence, but... > See ya, > Luke __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jordang at bit.net.au Fri Jul 14 13:57:38 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:57:38 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy References: <20000713234849.12961.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701bfed93$18972fc0$152bd7d2@pavilion> > Naive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really haven't seen > much of Ab Fab have you. Saffy's not naive she's > complelty in control and knows it. Every act is > caculated to acheive maximum anoyance of her mother. > Saffy has a good time when her mother's not around. > I agree with some parts of this statement and some I don't. Of course she's not as naive as she appears to her mother - although you're right and I haven't seen every episode, I've seen enough to know that - but you can't tell me she's completely Mrs Suave and Sophisticated (and promiscuous). I mean, in an ep on that video of mine her friend is inviting her to a 'Halls of Residence' Party and is trying to entice Saffy with alcohol, to which Saffy eventually 'takes the plunge' and takes a sole can. And in another ep (not on my tape, but I remember it anyway) Saffy's alone with that seedy lecturer of hers - and can you tell me that she's not at least a little bit naive when it comes to her dealings with men? I don't know. I mean, yes she does make herself out to be even more geekish than she really is to infuriate her mother, but I can't believe - from what I've seen of her when she's not talking to her mother - that she's completely beyond naivity, not by a long shot. But then, I'm not an ardent fan like yourself, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. It would be a bit like someone quite fond of Press Gang but really a trekkie at heart trying to explain the dynamics of Spike and Lynda's relationship. Richard, who laughed himself silly at an out-takes Ab Fab video he bought himself today, especially when Julia fluffed up her lines. What I love about seeing out-takes is that they break down the facade, and let you see what the actor is really like (and hopefully allow you to have more respect for them acting-wise. For example, from what I've seen of Julia, she's a lot more quietly-spoken then Lynda (or Saffy for that matter, when she gets angry). So it's not as if she's just being herself or anything, there's some real acting going on there when she plays those parts, and I dmire her a great deal for them. But I digress yet again....) From jordang at bit.net.au Fri Jul 14 14:08:37 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:08:37 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] PGML-LIP References: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20000714114431.01db2f10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <004f01bfed94$a0a9f9a0$152bd7d2@pavilion> > If you are one of those people, I encourage you to actually take the > final step. You liked seeing what the other listees looked like. You thought > it would be a good idea to put your picture up as well. So, why not take heed > of the commercial nature of our planet and ... Just Do It. > Trav I understand I am one of the above-implied people and I'm sorry I haven't sent mine in. One of the main reasons I'm holding back now is because at the last Brissie get-together, group pictures were taken and promises were made by the photographers of sending each photo to those who are in them with the possibility of the 'best' one being put up on the image page. As yet, I haven't heard from anyone about this (and I'm not pointing fingers! I know how long it takes to finish up all your film just to get the damn thing processed!) and so I figured I'd just wait and see what happens. Who knows? Maybe we won't be able to agree and the photo won't go up at all. If this happens, then I'll send you an independent photo of myself. But until then I'll just sit pretty. There'd be no point in going to all the trouble of scanning an individual image into the computer and sending it off if the group photo ends up going up anyway. So that's my excuse! (and I'm sticking to it!) Cya Richard P.S. Sorry for sending this to the entire list, people...I won't do it again....I give you my solemn word of honour..."He always fell for that"... :-) From garethp at cwcom.net Fri Jul 14 14:32:51 2000 From: garethp at cwcom.net (garethp@cwcom.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:32:51 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy Message-ID: <396f1683.5aac.0@cwcom.net> I dimly remember an interview with Julia where she was asked what would Lynda and Saffy think of each other and she said they would appreciate each other's talents but not really get on because Lynda is not much of a people person and Saffy would quickly find her too pushy. Actually Lynda is alot more like Kathy Burke's editor character in Ab Fab except for the chain smoking. I used to be a big fan of Ab Fab but I went off it around the end of the series and soon afterwards I taped over my copies. Part of the reason I went off it was that in the third season Saffy changed from a fairly normal, likeable girl to a neurotic killjoy who was just as weird in her own way as her mother. The scenes at the university seemed to have no basis in reality anymore. And the ending where a fortysomething Saffron was still being bullied by her mother was just too depressing for words. Gareth Spike to Kenny: "If you run into trouble, just think of me. I usually do." From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 14 15:25:20 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:25:20 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day/Domestic bliss update In-Reply-To: <005401bfed76$4e4f31c0$808b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: On 14 Jul 00, at 5:31, Kevin Nauta wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Cox > > > >>'Do I get it back?' I asked. She smiled. 'If you > >>marry me.' > > > >*** You know, you could just buy another one. They're not really that > >expensive. Certainly not as expensive as the long-term upkeep of a > >spouse...*laughing* > > > But not nearly as much fun to cuddle, my dear Travis!!! You've obviously never bought the right scanner. David. Possibly revealing Too Much Information..? This week I have been mostly reading: "Colonel Sun" by "Robert Markham". http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 14 15:09:59 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:09:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000714112611.009f1170@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <000e01bfed26$566eb7e0$aa6b073e@calum> <002901bfecc4$1bdee1c0$be2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715000959.00878100@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 11:28 14/07/00 +1000, you wrote: >Calum, > >>Er, probably, but not me... 'fraid the joke wore rather thin after the >>first, er, episode. Well, okay, half the first episode. Only person worth >>watching it for was June Whitfield... > >*** Fear not, my Scottish associate. You are not alone. I've watched a >couple of episodes, and it did nothing for me. I realise that some shows rely >on the viewer to know the characters in order to get all the jokes, but it just >did not strike me as overly humourous either. I agree with Calum also. The skit on French and Saunders was great, because it was a hilarious concept for a skit. Turning it into three series worth of humour was a big stretch and it just didn't make it. It became like far too many bad british comedies, where the same joke is just done again and again and again....it was very much of the George and Mildred vintage of BBC comedy, dressed up for the nineties but still just as crap. But if you ignored that, there was some great infrastructure around that, such as: -Julia looking orgiasticly sexy -Random appearances by Ade Edmonson and Jo Brand (and the magazine parodies they accompanied) -June Whitfield getting some decent lines now and then -Jane Horrocks' Bubble -Miranda Richardson (need I say more?) -the occasional funny line or exchange between Patsy and Saffy -Paul Reynolds popping up in that one episode You could watch it while channel surfing - see the good bit (Miranda!), change channels, come back (Saffy!) change channels etc. Hee hoo, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 14 15:27:04 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:27:04 +1000 Subject: Lynda's code of conduct In-Reply-To: <20000713235500.24128.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715002704.0087de10@mail.futureweb.com.au> > >But Lynda has no morals and no code of conduct which >is why she's such a bitch and Saffy has lots of them. Gotta take issue on this. Lynda has a VERY strict code of conduct that she holds herself and everyone in the universe up to. Since it is a code of idealised perfection, everyone automatically fails it, including herself. Thus she has the right to hate them and THAT'S why she's a bitch. Some people are exempt, though, such as Mr Kerr, Mr Sullivan, and (by my theory[1]) her dad. Actually, this whole idea stems from my theories on Lynda and her low self-esteem, so yeah, others might see it differently. Cheers, Steve [1]"Steve's Theory on All Lynda's Neuroses Stemming from her Electra Complex", Darlington et al. PGML, 1999, v3 pp 11-12. If you want to hear it again, just ask. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 14 15:19:23 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:19:23 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Apostrophes In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000714112813.009f6af0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715001923.0087b3e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> >PS: Yes, that was probably an inappropriate use of the apostrophe >there. If >anyone can correct me on this (go for it Steve! free shot!!!...*grin*), please >do so. "Melissas" just looks like the surname of some Greek person or >something. This is a knotty issue that I'm just not sure about myself. I was taught in primary school that for some more esoteric words, you use apostrophes to insert the plural. The origin I believe is that for numbers, abbreviations and such adding an s is wrong. 70 is not made plural by adding s, seventy becomes seventies, not seventys, so 70s doesn't exist. It must be 70's, with the apostrophe indicating the missing "ie". Hence "That 70's Show". Thus it was hilarious to see some foolish TV critic spend an entire column ranting that the show used an apostrophe incorrectly because they were idiot americans and "why does the 70 own the show? haha I'm so witty and they're so stupid". Moron. But I've never actually found a hard and fast rule to support my above theory. The guideline is I guess "if in doubt, leave it out" and that serves well. 70's, yeah, OK. GUI's, hmm, maybe. Melissa's....probably not - it's just too likely to be possessive. But the other golden rule of writing is that you sacrifice any rule if obeying it makes your writing less clear. So if you think Melissa's is more clear (and is unlikely to cause confusion with the possessive), then go for it. If anyone calls you on it, cite Darlington, Personal Communication, 2000. Cheers, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 14 16:30:16 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:30:16 +1000 Subject: Saffy's naivete In-Reply-To: <004701bfed93$18972fc0$152bd7d2@pavilion> References: <20000713234849.12961.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715013016.00870380@mail.futureweb.com.au> Richard is right - naive is one word you can use to describe Saffy, especially early on. Yes, she often plays her mother, but her mother also plays her back plenty. That's the point - the mother having to be even more outrageous and childish to freak out her daughter. An extreme example: Morocco. If Saffy was totally in the know of what her mother was truly capable of, why would she let her walk next to her through the market? Why doesn't it occur to her that her mother will sell her into the white slave trade? Because she's naive. Moreover, Saffy is also something of an ingenue (perhaps a better word than naive) in a general sense. Though she eventually learns to control her mother and understand life, early on she is NOT worldly wise and she is shy, unsure and nerdy. She blushes and stammers, she's nice, she anticipates the best in people. She's a bit disturbed by things outside her paradigm - extreme drug use, totally lax morals etc etc etc. That's how the relationship begins - with Saffy being not just annoyed but also a bit shocked by her mother ("Mum, what was Patsy?"). As things go on, she loses that and becomes more cynical and long-suffering. She isn't stupid though, and she's usually in control of situations. But she is also often out of her depth, embarassed and naive (if you want to call it that) about just how screwed up her mother is, and the seriously rooted universe she inhabits, espeically in the early days. Cheers, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 14 16:33:03 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:33:03 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Bris Meeting In-Reply-To: <000e01bfed75$c4826660$808b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715013303.00870b60@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 05:27 14/07/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Just to reprise what Richard said earlier - damn fine Bris PG meet last >>week. We had some really cracking conversations, watched some brilliant >>eps and really enjoyed watching together. > >And did Judy remember to take a picture of you guys to send me? Despite a few protests, the photo part was eventually done. The sending has yet to be agreed upon however. Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Fri Jul 14 17:29:11 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:29:11 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? In-Reply-To: <20000712170302.11199.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715022911.0089bd20@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 10:03 12/07/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey someone mentioned that there was some sort of >video for sale by ABC? If anyone knows what or who or >where it is or can be found could ya let me know... There was one (or two?) videos put out by the BBC very early on. They didn't sell well and disappeared from the shelves quickly. Now, they are collector's items. If you want tapes, write to your nearest PG member with them and they will copy them for you. Well, maybe. ;-) Cheers, Steve From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:36:26 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [OT] oh Trav... Message-ID: <20000714173626.27981.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com> Trav, I didn't take it in a bad way actually by using the LOL in my letter I thought u'd be able to tell I was joking...sorry if I did offend....Melissa > *** I hasten to point out it was not an attack > on your tagline. I was > merely saying it was the easiest way I could tell > the two Melissa's apart. I > should have imagined you would have received a good > flaming by now if there was > anyone vehemently opposed to your choice of tagline. > > Trav. > > PS: Yes, that was probably an inappropriate use > of the apostrophe > there. If > anyone can correct me on this (go for it Steve! > free shot!!!...*grin*), please > do so. "Melissas" just looks like the surname of > some Greek person or > something. ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Fri Jul 14 19:38:29 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:38:29 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? Message-ID: Are you talking about the 'Press Gang' video? Cameene > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [SMTP:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 4:29 PM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: Re: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? > > At 10:03 12/07/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Hey someone mentioned that there was some sort of > >video for sale by ABC? If anyone knows what or who or > >where it is or can be found could ya let me know... > > There was one (or two?) videos put out by the BBC very early on. They > didn't sell well and disappeared from the shelves quickly. Now, they are > collector's items. > > If you want tapes, write to your nearest PG member with them and they will > copy them for you. Well, maybe. ;-) > > Cheers, > Steve > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:42:33 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Apostrophes Message-ID: <20000714174233.22903.qmail@web1601.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Thanks it seems like trav was ripping into me but I hope I didn't offend him...but thanks for you support or at least thats what I think it was..LOL..."melissa"...LOL ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:47:46 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? Message-ID: <20000714174746.10029.qmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, could you tell me who my nearest PG person is...I have no clue remember I am in the US > > There was one (or two?) videos put out by the BBC > very early on. They > didn't sell well and disappeared from the shelves > quickly. Now, they are > collector's items. > > If you want tapes, write to your nearest PG member > with them and they will > copy them for you. Well, maybe. ;-) > > Cheers, > Steve > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Fri Jul 14 19:49:07 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:49:07 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? Message-ID: Steve, if it *is* the Press Gang video you are talking about, it won't be available from the BBC. Cameene > -----Original Message----- > From: MiMi Del Valle [SMTP:sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 5:48 PM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: Re: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? > > > Steve, > could you tell me who my nearest PG person is...I have > no clue remember I am in the US > > > > > There was one (or two?) videos put out by the BBC > > very early on. They > > didn't sell well and disappeared from the shelves > > quickly. Now, they are > > collector's items. > > > > If you want tapes, write to your nearest PG member > > with them and they will > > copy them for you. Well, maybe. ;-) > > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail: > > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > > For additional commands e-mail: > > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > > the message author > > > > > ===== > May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care > Love In christ Always Missy Ann > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:49:36 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Intro and an intersting tit-bit Message-ID: <20000714174936.10636.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Luke, Welcome I have just ben on the list about a month or so...I am Melissa and I am in the US. I am 19 and I am a full time college student. But for the summer I am working in manhattan. Well talk to you sooner or later..LOL Melissa ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From calum.junk at btinternet.com Fri Jul 14 19:02:23 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:02:23 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Apostrophes In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000715001923.0087b3e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <000201bfedbd$a96a96c0$f21f073e@calum> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > This is a knotty issue that I'm just not sure about myself. I was taught > in primary school that for some more esoteric words, you use > apostrophes to insert the plural. The origin I believe is that for numbers, > abbreviations and such adding an s is wrong. Not according to the Oxford Plain English Guide: "Generally, don't use an apostrophe in a plural: In the 1960s, even some MPs wore their hair long unless there is possession: Six MPs' offices were ransacked. "Sometimes an exception to the rule is demanded by the need to avoid ambiguity. Hence: Mind your p's and q's A list of do's and don'ts The first animal in the dictionary has three a's in its name" Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 14 19:32:39 2000 From: aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk (L...h J...i) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:32:39 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] (OT) Apostrophes Message-ID: <002b01bfedc1$e5b3cc60$643e883e@pbncomputer> "Melissa's" is probably wrong if it is meant to be plural, but I think what Darling Steve is referring to with "70's/70s" is what is commonly known as a 'grey area' - I have seen both forms widely used and often wondered which to use myself. BTW, what decade are we in now? I've some people call it the 'noughties' (the 00s), but what comes after that? The 'teens'? I was looking through some reduced CDs in Smith's this arvo, and I came across some which were labelled as follows: "This CD has lost it's case but it's price has been slashed". God, that kind of *obviously* inappropriate use of the apostrophe by a reputable shop *really* pisses me off! L...h - - - - - - - - - - From: Steve Darlington >PS: Yes, that was probably an inappropriate use of the apostrophe >there. If >anyone can correct me on this (go for it Steve! free shot!!!...*grin*), please >do so. "Melissas" just looks like the surname of some Greek person or >something. This is a knotty issue that I'm just not sure about myself. I was taught in primary school that for some more esoteric words, you use apostrophes to insert the plural. The origin I believe is that for numbers, abbreviations and such adding an s is wrong. 70 is not made plural by adding s, seventy becomes seventies, not seventys, so 70s doesn't exist. It must be 70's, with the apostrophe indicating the missing "ie". Hence "That 70's Show". Thus it was hilarious to see some foolish TV critic spend an entire column ranting that the show used an apostrophe incorrectly because they were idiot americans and "why does the 70 own the show? haha I'm so witty and they're so stupid". Moron. But I've never actually found a hard and fast rule to support my above theory. The guideline is I guess "if in doubt, leave it out" and that serves well. 70's, yeah, OK. GUI's, hmm, maybe. Melissa's....probably not - it's just too likely to be possessive. But the other golden rule of writing is that you sacrifice any rule if obeying it makes your writing less clear. So if you think Melissa's is more clear (and is unlikely to cause confusion with the possessive), then go for it. If anyone calls you on it, cite Darlington, Personal Communication, 2000. Cheers, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000714/271b4b21/attachment.htm From aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 14 19:33:20 2000 From: aja at adj...i.freeserve.co.uk (L...h J...i) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:33:20 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy Message-ID: <002f01bfedc1$fd6fd920$643e883e@pbncomputer> Spot on, Natacha! Both Lynda and Saffy are dominating megalomaniac bitches from hell - the only difference is that Saff draws the line at her mother and Patsy, while Lynda takes her bitchiness out on anyone and everyone. And yes, I am a big AbFab fan, though it looks rather dated now. AbFab has a huge gay following, so I guess that's why I've always loved it. The only pity is that the PG movie, 'Deadline' had to be scrapped because of Julia's commitment to Season 2 of AbFab, as well as a *vaguely possible* Series 6 of PG. By the time PG Season 5 was being filmed, Julia had moved on to AbFab and Steven Moffat to 'Joking Apart', also other cast members had fingers in different pies and Kelda wanted to leave (not that I sorely missed her after Friendly Fire), so I guess it just died a natural death. L...h - - - - - - - - - - From: >Is > there anyone on-list who's > an ardent Ab Fab fan Me : ) and can think of a moment in > series 1 where Saffy shows > 'Lynda' tendancies? Or indeed Lynda shows Saffy > tendancies in PG series 5? > It could just be a mannerism, a tone of voice, a > look, something. Not that I've ever noticed, maybe sometimes when she's yelling at her mother but even then not really. I've been > racking my brains about the PG question, but I can't > see any Saffy > tendencies in Series 5 Lynda from what I remember. > I think it's just > because Julia was just so comfortable in that role > by '93 that it was > almosty second nature to her, and she could pull off > the bitchiness etcetera > seemlessly. But in series 1 Ab Fab she would have > just been settling into > her new role, and so the chances of her reverting to > Lynda mannerisms for > comic effect may have been greater. I wouldn't have thought so - She's got completly differnt people around her so she'd be reacting to them as well. > OK, I've asked a lot of questions here but I hope > someone out there feels > inclined to answer some of them. That would have > been an extremely chaotic > period in Julia's life in '93, juggling the two > roles; trying to be the > naive daughter and the mega-bitch from hell all at > once - as well of course > just being Julia and braving the by-now-turbulent > waters of her relationship > with Dexter. Naive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really haven't seen much of Ab Fab have you. Saffy's not naive she's complelty in control and knows it. Every act is caculated to acheive maximum anoyance of her mother. Saffy has a good time when her mother's not around. Natacha > But I digress... > > Thoughts? Opinions? Useless facts? > > Richard, now a big brave 18 year old (apparently) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000714/0125b374/attachment.htm From saffron at citynet.net Fri Jul 14 21:57:07 2000 From: saffron at citynet.net (Mann) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:57:07 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Melissa References: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20000715001923.0087b3e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <000201bfedd9$bd1947e0$fb5b44cf@mann> > >PS: Yes, that was probably an inappropriate use of the apostrophe > >there. If > >anyone can correct me on this (go for it Steve! free shot!!!...*grin*), > please > >do so. "Melissas" just looks like the surname of some Greek person or > >something. ..... > > But I've never actually found a hard and fast rule to support my above > theory. The guideline is I guess "if in doubt, leave it out" and that > serves well. 70's, yeah, OK. GUI's, hmm, maybe. Melissa's....probably > not - it's just too likely to be possessive. But the other golden rule of > writing is that you sacrifice any rule if obeying it makes your writing > less clear. So if you think Melissa's is more clear (and is unlikely to > cause confusion with the possessive), then go for it. If anyone calls you > on it, cite Darlington, Personal Communication, 2000. 1 Melissa = Melissa 2 or more Melissa = Melissi??? From maya_crabtree at hotmail.com Fri Jul 14 23:41:28 2000 From: maya_crabtree at hotmail.com (Maya Crabtree) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:41:28 PDT Subject: [pressgang] Arab women Message-ID: <20000714224128.98544.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi again repeating that annoying "haven't checked my mial for two weeks, but just HAD to reply to this message". but shortly. coz I am in between birthdays and friends and work work work. >and Arab women, as well as being much shorter than White women, are >apparently *very* prone to getting a bit podgy and dumpy as they get older. I disagree. As a "midle-eastern woman"as you described in the restof your e-mail, I encounter jews and Arabs every day. The height in the middle east, indeed is a LITTLE and only a little shorter than in europe. However, the weight is a matter of culture. more "modern" and wetern orientated women tend to be thinner, be they muslim, christian or jewish (in the middle east that is). Tehere are at least two factors I can identify which cause this: 1) They are more open to western terms of beauty. They watch TV and read magazines, and are accustomed to be on a diet because that is the wya "to look" these days. 2) In more religious families, jewish and arab, where the married women is made to hide most of her body, she is considered the possession of the husband. She is therefore made to hide her looks and save them for her husband and in jewdism , not even the huband is supposed to see her naked for example. Sexual intercourse is only to be had for the purpose of children and is to be done in darkness. (of course this is usually not kept, these restrictions are very harsh). Now back on subject - in Iran for example the women are made to cover their whole body in a black wide dress and a veil, like a nun, but worse - only the eyes can be seen, be it the hottest day in Iran, Iraq or Saudi Arabia (which ARE hot countries) anyway, they stop having to look good. they husband owns them.They stay home all day, they don't go out to work, mostly, and they don't have to look good anymore. they tend to put on wieght, and this happens in a young age (in both nationalities) because they are ,atched and married at a very young age. (I'm losing my thread because some people ar telling me on ICQ about something serious). the more oepn and modern middle-eastern women are very western orintated, many Israeli girls who are not religious are very very veyr thin. it's a matter of trend and fashion, which is currently - to look as thing as a sheet of paper. I don't like that. I never went on a diet. especially not because of some trend that you can;t be normal you have to be all bones. sorry, very tired!!! gotta sleep! Kate ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 02:00:15 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:00:15 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Bris Meeting In-Reply-To: <000e01bfed75$c4826660$808b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715105917.01e1b7f0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Kevin, >And did Judy remember to take a picture of you guys to send me? *** Get people to send you pictures? Let me tell you, it's an uphill battle...*grin* Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 02:02:22 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:02:22 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day/Domestic bliss update In-Reply-To: <005401bfed76$4e4f31c0$808b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715110024.01e19220@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Kevin, >>*** You know, you could just buy another one. They're not really that >>expensive. Certainly not as expensive as the long-term upkeep of a >>spouse...*laughing* > >But not nearly as much fun to cuddle, my dear Travis!!! ()()() Perhaps you should look into more diverse stores than your local computer store? I happen to quite like my Vibrating ErotoScan 3000 unit....*perverted grin* Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 02:05:41 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:05:41 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day/Domestic bliss update In-Reply-To: References: <005401bfed76$4e4f31c0$808b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715110503.01c42db0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> David, >You've obviously never bought the right scanner. *** I see you and I shop at the same online store...*laughing* Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 02:42:08 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:42:08 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Apostrophes In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000715001923.0087b3e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <4.1.20000714112813.009f6af0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715114051.01db0e10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Steve, >So if you think Melissa's is more clear (and is unlikely to >cause confusion with the possessive), then go for it. If anyone calls you >on it, cite Darlington, Personal Communication, 2000. *** I shall be sure to do so. I imagine it will hold a great deal of sway with the people I am arguing with at the time. Thank's again...*grin* Trav. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 15 02:53:52 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:53:52 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715115352.00875860@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 06:49 14/07/00 -0000, you wrote: >Steve, if it *is* the Press Gang video you are talking about, it won't be >available from the BBC. That's right, it was released by Central/Richmond. But it isn't still available from either of them. As for Melissa's closest PGer, I've got no idea. Where in the US are you? Sing out on the list, and just ask. That's what we all did. Steve From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 03:01:16 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:01:16 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] (OT) Apostrophes In-Reply-To: <002b01bfedc1$e5b3cc60$643e883e@pbncomputer> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715115824.01b9cec0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> L...h, > > BTW, what decade are we in now? I've some people call it the 'noughties' (the > 00s), but what comes after that? The 'teens'? *** I quite like the term "oughties" compared to "noughties". I don't know about the next decade. I will sound like my own great-grandfather when he used ramble on about life and how "back in the summer of twelve we used to ... ". > > I was looking through some reduced CDs in Smith's this arvo, and I came > across some which were labelled as follows: "This CD has lost it's case but > it's price has been slashed". God, that kind of *obviously* inappropriate use > of the apostrophe by a reputable shop *really* pisses me off! *** Ye's. I know what you mean...*wink* Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 15 02:59:05 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:59:05 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Apostrophes In-Reply-To: <000201bfedbd$a96a96c0$f21f073e@calum> References: <3.0.5.32.20000715001923.0087b3e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715115905.0087a840@mail.futureweb.com.au> >"Generally, don't use an apostrophe in a plural: >"Sometimes an exception to the rule is demanded by the need to avoid >ambiguity. Hence: That's basically what I said, but I just had a bigger grey area under that ambiguity. But thanks to Calum for giving me a decent reference and a hard line on that. I really must get a guide to English usage. I have my Dad's, but it was written in the 1920s. Cheers, Steve From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 03:05:02 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:05:02 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? In-Reply-To: <20000714174746.10029.qmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715120207.01df2d70@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Melissa, The June 2000 PGML-DL contained the following US listees. Remember, this may not be all the listees living in the US, just the ones that sent their details in for inclusion on the PGML-DL. You can take your pick as to who would be closest for you. - Illinois - Kellie C. Payne ICQ#32850483 - Michigan - Kevin Nauta ICQ#3482076 IM kvnauta - New Jersey - Eavan Cully IM Vanganeese - New York - Hilary L. Hertzoff Bronwen Liggitt ICQ#14893672 IM (Yahoo Pager) stellarbabies - Oregon - Colin Caulkins ICQ#66055097 David "Devon" Elderton IM blndboywht >...I have >no clue remember I am in the US *** Truer words were never spoken...*grins and ducks flying ashtrays from US listees* Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 03:13:24 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:13:24 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Apostrophes In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000715115905.0087a840@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <000201bfedbd$a96a96c0$f21f073e@calum> <3.0.5.32.20000715001923.0087b3e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715121234.01b68e70@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Steve, >That's basically what I said, but I just had a bigger grey area under that >ambiguity. But thanks to Calum for giving me a decent reference and a hard >line on that. I really must get a guide to English usage. I have my >Dad's, but it was written in the 1920s. *** I imagine that would be a fairly useless source of information about whether or not one should hyphenate "dot-com" or not then...*chuckle* Trav. From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 03:26:49 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:26:49 +1000 Subject: [OT] Kevin and Britney In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000715121234.01b68e70@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000715115905.0087a840@mail.futureweb.com.au> <000201bfedbd$a96a96c0$f21f073e@calum> <3.0.5.32.20000715001923.0087b3e0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715122228.01b3a160@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Kevin, I am sure you've been keeping close tabs on the Spears Museum that opened recently. Not sure if you're planning a pilgrimage in the near future or not, but thought you might like to have a preview of what's there. I know it is completely off-topic from the characters in PG, but then, it is on-topic about a listee, so whether it deserves the [ot] designation in the subject line or not, I am not sure. Trav. -------------------- July 14, 2000 NOTE FROM CHRIS: The hometown of flavor-of-last-month Britney Spears is now the proud home of the Britney Spears Museum, with sections chronicling her early childhood, her tenure as a Mouseketeer, and her current life as an MTV icon. The Top 15 Exhibits in the Britney Spears Museum [ The Top 5 List www.topfive.com ] [ Copyright 2000 by Chris White ] 15> Animatronic diorama depicting Britney at 40 trashing hotel room after failing to get on "Hollywood Squares 2020" -- you'll swear the vomit is real! 14> A retrospective of Christina Aguilera voodoo dolls from the Mouseketeer days to the present 13> Mrs. Spears' copy of "500 Annoying Names For Your New Baby, Plus Even More Annoying Alternate Spellings", 1981 edition 12> Photos of Britney with the other Mouseketeers, Britney with Mickey Mouse, Britney with Donald Duck, Britney with...hey, there's no Disney character named Fred Fleshweasel! 11> Pre-surgery bra made into a handy peach holder; post-surgery bra made into a handy cantaloupe holder 10> Interactive Exhibit: The Spice Girls Virtual Kill and Maim 9> Collage of checks made out to dance and voice teachers, stamped "RETURNED FOR INSUFFICIENT TALENT" 8> Directions on how to get to the museum 7> Britney's vintage music collection, featuring CDs by Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, and Paula Abdul 6> Nostalgic pictures from "the old days" when her Mousketeer ears protruded farther than anything else on her body 5> The "Oops! You Bought this Crap Again" Gift Shop 4> Plaques of appreciation from the hand lotion, silicone and facial tissue industries 3> The Pre-Teen Girls' Body Image Hall of Mirrors 2> An eerily life-like wax statue of Britney's "friend", Christine Aguilera, who oddly enough dropped out of sight shortly before the museum's Grand Opening and Topfive.com's Number 1 Exhibit in the Britney Spears Museum... 1> A beautifully framed copy of Britney's first contract, on loan from Satan From thlaylirah at geocities.com Sat Jul 15 18:17:50 2000 From: thlaylirah at geocities.com (Thlayli-rah) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 03:17:50 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda's code of conduct References: <3.0.5.32.20000715002704.0087de10@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <39709CBE.E532C7AD@geocities.com> > [1]"Steve's Theory on All Lynda's Neuroses Stemming from her Electra > Complex", Darlington et al. PGML, 1999, v3 pp 11-12. If you want to hear > it again, just ask. You wanna send me that privately, please? :) ~Corby __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jordang at bit.net.au Sat Jul 15 08:47:26 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:47:26 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda's code of conduct References: <3.0.5.32.20000715002704.0087de10@mail.futureweb.com.au> <39709CBE.E532C7AD@geocities.com> Message-ID: <004301bfee30$ed292200$7b2bd7d2@pavilion> > > [1]"Steve's Theory on All Lynda's Neuroses Stemming from her Electra > > Complex", Darlington et al. PGML, 1999, v3 pp 11-12. If you want to hear > > it again, just ask. > > You wanna send me that privately, please? :) > I'd also be quite interested in that, Steve, if you wouldn't mind. Maybe you should just send the thing to the entire list again. If people don't want it, all they have to do is click the 'delete' button. Richard From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Sat Jul 15 09:40:45 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:40:45 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Kevin and Britney Message-ID: I would hereby like to suggest that no-one should EVER send OT messages to this list *EVER AGAIN*!! There was me innocently loading some tapes, when suddenly, out of nowhere, I started singing in a very loud voice: "...and it's sent from abo-o-ove!". Travis, you bar-steward! Cameene - not that innocent. (Bel, I *am* writing a reply.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Cox [SMTP:t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au] > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 2:27 AM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Kevin and Britney > > Kevin, > > I am sure you've been keeping close tabs on the Spears Museum that > opened recently. Not sure if you're planning a pilgrimage in the near > future > or not, but thought you might like to have a preview of what's there. I > know > it is completely off-topic from the characters in PG, but then, it is > on-topic > about a listee, so whether it deserves the [ot] designation in the subject > line > or not, I am not sure. > > Trav. > > -------------------- > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From jordang at bit.net.au Sat Jul 15 08:51:47 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:51:47 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Re: Hey is there a video out? References: <4.1.20000715120207.01df2d70@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <005901bfee31$87e05f20$7b2bd7d2@pavilion> > >...I have > >no clue remember I am in the US > > *** Truer words were never spoken...*grins and ducks flying ashtrays > from US > listees* > HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! That's the best laugh I've had all day! Thanks Trav! Richard -- Lynda: I'd have baked you a cake, but I didn't. Spike: Yeah, I figured that was the reason... From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Sat Jul 15 09:44:50 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:44:50 -0000 Subject: Julia in "The Look". Message-ID: All you UKers, run out NOW and buy a copy (or three) of today's Daily Mirror because there's a great big picture of her on the front of the TV magazine - well, either it's her or someone who looks a lot like her. I presume there's a big 'Chicken Run' interview inside. Steve, she looks rather sexy... I think she had her cleavage out again. Cameene - the tease. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 10:15:25 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:15:25 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Kevin and Britney In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20000715191222.01ceb120@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Cameene, >There was me innocently loading some tapes, when suddenly, out of nowhere, I >started singing in a very loud voice: "...and it's sent from abo-o-ove!". *** I hate it when that happens. You could say it does DRIVE ME CRAZY...*snickers* Trav. PS: I was not going to send this OT post to the list as per your request, and then just as I hit went to hit the 'delete' button, I accidentally clicked the 'send' button and muttered "OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN!"... From prydonia at accn.org Sat Jul 15 10:35:36 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:35:36 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] Kevin and Britney Message-ID: <00c001bfee40$09299160$858b78d8@prydonia> >>There was me innocently loading some tapes, when suddenly, out of nowhere, I >>started singing in a very loud voice: "...and it's sent from abo-o-ove!". > >*** I hate it when that happens. You could say it does DRIVE ME >CRAZY...*snickers* > >PS: I was not going to send this OT post to the list as per your request, >and then just as I hit went to hit the 'delete' button, I accidentally clicked >the 'send' button and muttered "OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN!"... You know, there just has to be a way to tie this thread to the one about Travis' choice of scanner technology, but I don't want to be the one who does it. Kevin, who is not the real Slim Shady either From prydonia at accn.org Sat Jul 15 10:42:07 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:42:07 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <00c701bfee40$f249be60$858b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 15, 2000 (AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YVETTE!!!!!!) A few words from Colin the facilitator: Colin: Let's just be calm now. Let's just sit down, plan a discussion, draw up an agenda.... Lynda: You're dead, Colin. Colin: Well, that's a point of view. That's an issue we can discuss.... "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 10:55:51 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:55:51 +1000 Subject: PGML-LIP Update In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000714114431.01db2f10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <4.1.20000714112813.009f6af0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715195247.01cbf180@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, Obviously my remarks about the PGML-LIP were not in vain. Please put your hands together in a warm round of applause for the most recent listee to come and play with the rest of the people at the PGML-LIP site. A person, I might add, who drove six hours to a scanner just to share her image. Well, perhaps not just for that reason, but I like to think so. Welcome aboard Eavan! Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Sat Jul 15 11:11:01 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:11:01 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] PGML-LIP In-Reply-To: <004f01bfed94$a0a9f9a0$152bd7d2@pavilion> References: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20000714114431.01db2f10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000715200737.01c5ab60@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Richard, >Maybe we won't be able to agree and the photo won't go up at all. >If this happens, then I'll send you an independent photo of myself. But >until then I'll just sit pretty. *** Not sure if that was an intended pun or not...*grin* There'd be no point in going to all the >trouble of scanning an individual image into the computer and sending it off >if the group photo ends up going up anyway. So that's my excuse! (and I'm >sticking to it!) *** And a fine excuse it is too. Except that if Steve is in the group photo, and he is also in an independent photo on the site, your excuse sucks...*laughing* Trav. PS: In other words, there is no problem with a person being in a group photo and an individual photo. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From head_overheels at hotmail.com Sat Jul 15 15:20:58 2000 From: head_overheels at hotmail.com (Katarina Hjärpe) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:20:58 CEST Subject: sdarling@futureweb.com.au Message-ID: Steve, I'd be interested in ANY list hosted by my favourite enemy, and since I've thought about joining a Buffy lsit but not quite gotten around to it (like should I pick an American one where everyone knows 10 times more than me, or a Swedish one where I know 10 times more than everyone), this sounds perfect. Prepare for some fights! You are, of course, quite allowed to refuse me entrance if you prefer. Katta >From: Steve Darlington >Reply-To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >Subject: [pressgang] Bris Meeting >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:49:30 +1000 > > >Just to reprise what Richard said earlier - damn fine Bris PG meet last >week. We had some really cracking conversations, watched some brilliant >eps and really enjoyed watching together. Something quite alien to me >because almost nobody I know likes the shows I like, and that includes >things like Buffy, despite the PG guys saying that "everyone watches >Buffy". That's why I have to talk about Buff on this list. > >Actually, tho, I've got a solution to that problem. I've started up my own >list to talk about Buffy - and any other TV show under the sun we like. >Anyone interested in joining can mail me off list. > >Anyway, my real porpoise here is just to say thanks all for coming along, >an absolute tops night, and let's do it again ASAP, huh? I nominate early >September, before everyone goes overseas. I'm putting this on-list so any >new Brisbaners can get in on the act, as usual. > >Cheerybye, >Steve > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 15 14:42:53 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:42:53 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Lynda's Electra complex In-Reply-To: <004301bfee30$ed292200$7b2bd7d2@pavilion> References: <3.0.5.32.20000715002704.0087de10@mail.futureweb.com.au> <39709CBE.E532C7AD@geocities.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715234253.00897480@mail.futureweb.com.au> >I'd also be quite interested in that, Steve, if you wouldn't mind. Maybe >you should just send the thing to the entire list again. If people don't >want it, all they have to do is click the 'delete' button. Kay. Luckily I had it all kept from the last time I had to splain my theory again (and which contains a quote from the first time I posited it). The David mentioned here is not David Brider, twas another David. (oh and for those who don't know, an Electra complex is the opposite of an Oedipus complex) This is My Theory, by Steve Darlington Brackets Mr Brackets. This is it. That's a joke for all the Python fans out there. Anyway, about six months ago, me and David were having a great discussion about the core of Lynda's character. To me, Lynda is quite simply a victim of low self-esteem. It is her deep-seated fears that drive her constantly to be the best, to never show a weakness, to be perfect. This is why she attaches all her self-worth to her achievements, and why, when she fails, she is utterly destroyed. And it's also why she can never commit to Spike - she's too afraid, because deep down she doubts anyone could ever love her. I can go further into this if you want, but that's a nice summary for now. Anyway, then I postulated thusly: >>>>I suppose it is unfair to put the blame on a character we never see, but I suspect that this attitude of Lynda's stems from her father. We see enough of her mother to know she's nowhere near as insane as Lynda. So it's my theory that Lynda's dad is a big executive bigshot (or hardworking wannabe worker who never quite made it), who's always out there trying to win, win, win, and he's passed on his own lack of self-esteem on to his daughter. Perhaps he had to travel a lot or work long hours because of his job, and thus Lynda learnt that she had to compete for his time. When he couldn't come to her school play because he was closing a deal, she thought that her play wasn't good enough. And when he was too stressed after work to compliment her on all the A's on her report card, she thought she didn't try hard enough at school. But one day, if she really works hard, she might be as good as her ultimate hero, her dad, the big high-flying money-making executive genius. She also transfers this impossible idolisation onto Mr Kerr to an extent, and Mr Sullivan. Another piece of evidence towards my theory - in Friendly Fire, Lynda lies to Sarah that her dad has left her. True, it is merely the simplest prefabrication she can come up with on the spot to keep Sarah in the room, but it probably stems from something. Deep, deep inside, Lynda fears her father will leave her, because he doesn't love her enough, because she's not a good enough daughter. That's why he's always working, to get away from her. Of course, she never conciously thinks this, but it's progammed into her subconcous forever.>>>> That's why I think metaphorically, the voice inside Lynda whispering her paranoia, her fears, her doubts, is the personification of how she sees her father. I think I might explore this a bit in my story....but I say that about a lot of things. While we're in such territory, I believe Spike is also a product of his parents. When Spike's mother left him, it broke something inside him and since then he's always tried to replace her. Subconciously, he seeks out in his romances women that remind him of his mother - note what Frazz says in Page One "you always go for the bossy types". The sad consequence of this is that he thus must also seek out women who will hurt him and leave him. That's why he falls so far for Lynda - because she is so close to his mother, and why he keeps coming back to be hurt again, and again, and again... So Lynda is unable to love Spike because she's trapped by the echoes of her childhood, and Spike is unable to let Lynda go because of the same reason. Quite a couple really. Of course, they aren't purely the product of this. It's my belief that after Day Dreams, Lynda makes the step she could never take, and begins to learn that she can deserve affection. And as for Spike, much of his battle against his programming form the dramatic set pieces of the show. This is why I LOVE the ending of Holding On - it's such a crushing blow on one hand, but on the other, it's also a powerful victory for Spike. But let's not have that Holding On discussion again. From prydonia at accn.org Sun Jul 16 02:16:32 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:16:32 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] PGML-LIP Update Message-ID: <004101bfeec3$7b634540$118b78d8@prydonia> -----Original Message----- From: Travis Cox > Obviously my remarks about the PGML-LIP were not in vain. Please put >your hands together in a warm round of applause for the most recent listee to >come and play with the rest of the people at the PGML-LIP site. A person, I >might add, who drove six hours to a scanner just to share her image. Well, >perhaps not just for that reason, but I like to think so. > > Welcome aboard Eavan! I can see my former editor and occasional sparring partner over my choice in companions (female and alien) is a very beautiful young lady in her own right. A welcome addition to the PGML-LIP. Which reminds me, I need to get around to writing a proper accompaniment for that picture one of these days..... Kevin From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sat Jul 15 14:47:38 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:47:38 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Julia in "The Look". In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000715234738.008751a0@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 08:44 15/07/00 -0000, you wrote: >Steve, she looks rather sexy... I think she had her cleavage out again. Oh wow! I didn't even know she was interested in geology! Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 16 03:17:50 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:17:50 +1000 Subject: Thinking about editors (Steve's fiction) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000715234253.00897480@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <004301bfee30$ed292200$7b2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000715002704.0087de10@mail.futureweb.com.au> <39709CBE.E532C7AD@geocities.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000716121750.008791c0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Sigh. First off, two things: one, this is no reflection against the editors I have now and have had in the past. I understand that I'm asking people to go well out of their way for me and thus I will never complain about their actions. Not only that, they've also helped me out a great deal in the past. Also, I fundamentally and absolutely believe in the importance of editors. I know for a fact just how much they can improve a piece of writing, and how vital they really are. No matter how carefully an author picks through something, he's always going to miss something an editor will pick up in a second. BUT. But but but. The thing is, finding a good editor, or perhaps the better word is the best editor for your needs, is pretty tricky. Moreover, finding one who works at your pace is even harder. I've realised that a lot of the delays I face to get my chapters out are caused by me waiting for editors. Also, I think often I use editors to simply validate each chapter by saying "it's good" (and then the "but"). It's perhaps important that I fly solo sometimes. That way, I will have to learn to be precise and pick out everything I can on my own. And best of all, I can keep up my momentum with my chapters, and get them out to you guys a lot quicker. The only problem is that this means I'm foisting un-edited stuff on you guys, which for me (being the neurotic worrier I am) seems a little insulting to both my editors and my audience. So what I'm saying here is that a) I'm doing this to increase quantity, and will do my damnedest not to let it effect quality, and b) if you have any problems at all with the writing, please point them out! Otherwise I'll never learn. You can all be my editors. :-) Natacha tends to be pretty quick, so - if she is still willing - I may still use her services. Natacha? If I send you Chapter 4, when can you get it back to me? Finally, thanks to all on this list who provide me with the most important ingredient of all - an audience. For that alone, I owe you a debt that cannot be repaid. Cheers, Steve From jordang at bit.net.au Sun Jul 16 11:09:37 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:09:37 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] PGML-LIP References: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com><4.1.20000714114431.01db2f10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> <4.1.20000715200737.01c5ab60@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <002b01bfef0d$f66cc500$112bd7d2@pavilion> > >Maybe we won't be able to agree and the photo won't go up at all. > >If this happens, then I'll send you an independent photo of myself. But > >until then I'll just sit pretty. > > *** Not sure if that was an intended pun or not...*grin* Actually it *wasn't*! > There'd be no point in going to all the > >trouble of scanning an individual image into the computer and sending it off > >if the group photo ends up going up anyway. So that's my excuse! (and I'm > >sticking to it!) > > *** And a fine excuse it is too. Except that if Steve is in the group > photo, and he is also in an independent photo on the site, your excuse > sucks...*laughing* Ah, nuts. Oh all right my excuse sucks, I admit it! I was kinda hoping you wouldn't notice... ;-) It's not that I don't *want* to, it's just...well laziness is a factor. As well as apat...oh I can't even be bothered finishing off the word... ;-) So I'm not making anymore promises and/or excuses. Maybe I'll get my act together and maybe I won't. I honestly don't know! But congrats to Eavan, though - and yet another stunner we have on this fine list! Richard, whose friends surprised him today with a belated birthday lunch today... From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 16 11:42:22 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:42:22 +1000 Subject: What was I thinking? In-Reply-To: <002b01bfef0d$f66cc500$112bd7d2@pavilion> References: <20000713140520.1012.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20000714114431.01db2f10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> <4.1.20000715200737.01c5ab60@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000716204222.00877d60@mail.futureweb.com.au> >But congrats to Eavan, though - and yet another stunner we have on this fine >list! THIS is the woman I've been arguing with and annoying to distraction? What the HELL was I thinking? Stupid boy! More proof that all PGML listee females are babes. But please don't let fear of you breaking this streak prevent you from sending them in, OK? I mean, who gives a damn what I think. Steve From prydonia at accn.org Sun Jul 16 12:25:36 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:25:36 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <001501bfef18$a11191c0$c48b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 16, 2000 (taken from the lovely Annika's transcripts, by the way. And speaking of the lovely Annika's transcripts, I'm due for another one. *g*) Chrissie: So anyway, if you could have that stuff ready…Wasn't that a phone ringing? Lynda: Oh no, it was the doorbell. Chrissie: You don't have a doorbell. Lynda: Oh. They must have knocked then. Chrissie looks at them for a moment, then she traces the cord to the drawer and takes out the phone. Chrissie: So, why is everybody looking guilty because you've had a phone put in? (pause) You haven't. Is it on our exchange? Lynda nods. Chrissie: And do we know about it? Lynda shakes her head. Colin: I told you you'd get caught. Chrissie: I don't want to know about this. Lynda: Chrissie, what are you going to do? If Mr. Kerr finds out… Chrissie: The only way he'll find out is if I tell him, and I'm not going to tell him because I don't want to be there when he finds out! "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From vanganeese at hotmail.com Sun Jul 16 18:09:06 2000 From: vanganeese at hotmail.com (Eavan Cully) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:09:06 EDT Subject: [pressgang] What was I thinking? Message-ID: <20000716170906.57275.qmail@hotmail.com> > >But congrats to Eavan, though - and yet another stunner we have on this >fine > >list! >THIS is the woman I've been arguing with and annoying to distraction? What >the HELL was I thinking? Stupid boy! >More proof that all PGML listee females are babes. But please don't let >fear of you breaking this streak prevent you from sending them in, OK? I >mean, who gives a damn what I think. I'd normally take advantage of this last line to assure you of any sane person's (oh, the apostrophe) indifference to your opinion, however, after such complementary posts and finding out my grades and scores (which'll get me out of FIVE classes in college) I think I'll just ignore it. :) --Eavan -- Pow! Sh'bang! Blop! Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiizzzzzz! --Bridget Bardot, Comic Strip ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 16 20:40:50 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:40:50 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] (OT) Apostrophes In-Reply-To: <002b01bfedc1$e5b3cc60$643e883e@pbncomputer> Message-ID: On 14 Jul 00, at 19:32, L...h J...i wrote: >"Melissa's" is probably wrong if it is meant to be plural, but I >think what Darling Steve is referring to with "70's/70s" is what >is commonly known as a 'grey area' - I have seen both forms >widely used and often wondered which to use myself. BTW, what >decade are we in now? I've some people call it the 'noughties' (the >00s), but what comes after that? The 'teens'? > >I was looking through some reduced CDs in Smith's this arvo, and >I came across some which were labelled as follows: "This CD has >lost it's case but it's price has been slashed". God, that kind of >*obviously* inappropriate use of the apostrophe by a reputable >shop *really* pisses me off! Quite agree. This is what has come to be known by Tim (my housemate, whom I mention with monotonous irregularity) as the "grocer's apostrophe". As in, apple's, banana's, orange's, and other thing's you might see written on sign's at grocer's shop's. David. 's. This week I have been mostly re-reading: "Casino Royale" by Ian Fleming. http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 16 20:45:58 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:45:58 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] PGML-LIP Update In-Reply-To: <004101bfeec3$7b634540$118b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: On 15 Jul 00, at 21:16, Kevin Nauta wrote: > I can see my former editor and occasional sparring partner over my choice in > companions (female and alien) is a very beautiful young lady in her own > right. A welcome addition to the PGML-LIP. Absolutely. Remind me, Eavan - are we still fighting over my constantly thrashing you in the Trivia fests? And if not, any chance of a date? ;o? David. This week I have been mostly re-reading: "Casino Royale" by Ian Fleming. http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 00:25:29 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Lynda and Saffy Message-ID: <20000716232529.21662.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd." wrote: > > > Naive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really haven't > seen > > much of Ab Fab have you. Saffy's not naive she's > > complelty in control and knows it. Every act is > > caculated to acheive maximum anoyance of her > mother. > > Saffy has a good time when her mother's not > around. > > > > I agree with some parts of this statement and some I > don't. Of course she's > not as naive as she appears to her mother - although > you're right and I > haven't seen every episode, I've seen enough to know > that - but you can't > tell me she's completely Mrs Suave and Sophisticated > (and promiscuous). I > mean, in an ep on that video of mine her friend is > inviting her to a 'Halls > of Residence' Party and is trying to entice Saffy > with alcohol, to which > Saffy eventually 'takes the plunge' and takes a sole > can. Her mother only found one can. Plus Saffy knows how to roll a joint much better than her more adventurous peers. Actully the 'wild on the inside' interpretation is the one Julia herself used to understand Saffy. And in another ep > (not on my tape, but I remember it anyway) Saffy's > alone with that seedy > lecturer of hers - and can you tell me that she's > not at least a little bit > naive when it comes to her dealings with men? Ah one of my favourate moments is when Eddy hits him. > Richard, who laughed himself silly at an out-takes > Ab Fab video he bought > himself today, especially when Julia fluffed up her > lines. What I love > about seeing out-takes is that they break down the > facade, and let you see > what the actor is really like (and hopefully allow > you to have more respect > for them acting-wise. For example, from what I've > seen of Julia, she's a > lot more quietly-spoken then Lynda (or Saffy for > that matter, when she gets > angry). I always got the impression that she laughed a lot more and a lot more loudly than either of these two characters. The out takes are great. particuly when you know the scene. Natacha So it's not as if she's just being herself > or anything, there's some > real acting going on there when she plays those > parts, and I dmire her a > great deal for them. But I digress yet again....) > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 00:37:58 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Saffy's naivete Message-ID: <20000716233758.8859.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> --- Steve Darlington wrote: > > Richard is right - naive is one word you can use to > describe Saffy, > especially early on. Yes, she often plays her > mother, but her mother also > plays her back plenty. That's the point - the > mother having to be even > more outrageous and childish to freak out her > daughter. > > An extreme example: Morocco. If Saffy was totally > in the know of what her > mother was truly capable of, why would she let her > walk next to her through > the market? Why doesn't it occur to her that her > mother will sell her into > the white slave trade? Because she's naive. > Eddy didn't sell her Patsy did. Differnt relationship. I have a Eddy/Saffy* relationship with my mother and trust me Saffy knows and intentionaly does things to anoy her mother. (* No my mother is not a drug taking Pr executive but she is a lot more 'out there' than I am. I'm deffinatly the more conservative of the two ) > Moreover, Saffy is also something of an ingenue > (perhaps a better word than > naive) in a general sense. Though she eventually > learns to control her > mother and understand life, early on she is NOT > worldly wise and she is > shy, unsure and nerdy. She blushes and stammers, > she's nice, she > anticipates the best in people. Not her Mother not Patsy. She's been execting the wost of them for a long time. She's a bit > disturbed by things outside > her paradigm - extreme drug use, totally lax morals > etc etc etc. That's > how the relationship begins - with Saffy being not > just annoyed but also a > bit shocked by her mother ("Mum, what was Patsy?"). No this is a kid who's had to deal with her mother passed out in her own vomit. She knows about the world her mother inhabits which is why she won't got to the fashion show in the first episode. Natacha > As things go on, she > loses that and becomes more cynical and > long-suffering. > > She isn't stupid though, and she's usually in > control of situations. But > she is also often out of her depth, embarassed and > naive (if you want to > call it that) about just how screwed up her mother > is, and the seriously > rooted universe she inhabits, espeically in the > early days. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 00:54:48 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Thinking about editors (Steve's fiction) Message-ID: <20000716235448.6866.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> > Natacha tends to be pretty quick, so - if she is > still willing - I may > still use her services. Natacha? If I send you > Chapter 4, when can you > get it back to me? Sure no problem - and can you put me down for teh buffy mailing list as well. thanks Natacha > > Finally, thanks to all on this list who provide me > with the most important > ingredient of all - an audience. For that alone, I > owe you a debt that > cannot be repaid. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From godiva at kublai.com Mon Jul 17 01:02:17 2000 From: godiva at kublai.com (Godiva Cully) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:02:17 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] PGML-LIP Update In-Reply-To: ; from david@dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk on Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 08:45:58PM +0100 References: <004101bfeec3$7b634540$118b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <20000716200217.A18383@rhodes.kublai.com> > Absolutely. Remind me, Eavan - are we still fighting over my > constantly thrashing you in the Trivia fests? If I ever win one, we'll talk :) --Eavan -- "Calvin Coolidge was the greatest man who ever came out of Plymouth Corner, Vermont." -- Clarence Darrow From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 17 01:18:05 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:18:05 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Saffy's naivete In-Reply-To: <20000716233758.8859.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000717101805.00871b80@mail.futureweb.com.au> >Not her Mother not Patsy. She's been execting the wost >of them for a long time. Here's the key. Richard never said Saffy was naive about her mother or Patsy. He just said she was naive. Cheers, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 17 01:39:14 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:39:14 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Thinking about editors (Steve's fiction) In-Reply-To: <20000716235448.6866.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> Thanks a LOT. Just plain text - if you prefer a Word file, let me know. Steve PS Will see about putting you on the list when the site starts working again. Matt Kerr stood at his window, staring down at the open floor beneath. He watched them slowly trickle in, one by one. He watched them share their first, hesitant greetings, then move to nervous conversation. He watched the conversations grow tense, then heated, and finally, erupt into full fledged, full-contact argument. He waited until he judged that Lynda was just about to throw the first punch. Then he came down. The seven of them stopped dead and turned to watch Matt Kerr casually descending the stairs. "Hello all" he said, ignoring the chaos and carnage to which the newsroom was rapidly becoming witness. "What's all this racket about then?" Colin recovered first. "Ah, Matt. Positively ten-four to see you. Here, you need one of these" Colin handed him a piece of paper, grinning from ear to ear in a way he always believed was charming. "I must say, you're looking well for a man of your years. Er - whatever they might be, that is" Colin recovered smoothly. "Your years are my years, I always say, right gang?" "What is this?" said Matt, ignoring Colin and looking at the paper. "Ah, pretty straightforward, pretty straightforward, Matt me old mucker" Colin pattered. "Just your every day lawsuit, you know how it is. I mean, who really reads them these days, am I right?" said Colin, laughing. No one else joined in. "Yeah, so because it's you, Matt, because it's you, just skip the fine print. The simple deal is, I'm suing you for libel." Colin paused and grinned again. Then he gushed, "For two million dollars! Can you believe it?" "I certainly can," said Lynda, curtly. "Colin " "I know, I know what you're going to say - it's not fair." Said Colin, bobbing his head back and forth to pantomime the last three words. "Don't worry - I've taken care of that. The suit is against you, Mr Campbell and the book company. So you won't be paying it all yourself." Colin's face became serious, despite his excitement. "It seemed the decent thing to do, after all we've been through together " Matt stared at Colin emotionlessly. Behind him, the others began to smile. " . er, Matt Mr Kerr you seem to be er sort of "tearing up" that law suit there that I gave you there. Problem? Typo? Someone forgot to cross an "I"? I'm always making that mistake," Colin admitted. "Colin" "Yes, Mr Kerr?" "Listen to me - all of you" he added, turning to the whole crowd. "I'm only going to say this once. You cannot stop this book going to publication. So if that is what you are here for, you better forget it." "What?" shrieked Julie. "Why not?" asked Sarah. "Read your contracts. When you first joined the Junior Gazette, you all signed one, remember?" "We did?" said Frazz, puzzled. "Contracts which, among other things, gave the paper complete control over any and all media publications regarding or referring to the running of the paper and the staff within it. Toni's book falls under that agreement. End of story." There was a pause. Matt took it. "Of course, that doesn't mean you don't get a say in things. It just means that you have to ask nicely" "Ask who?" said Lynda. "The author, of course" he said with an ironic grin. He glanced down at Toni, who was crawling out from under the desk where she'd been cowering from the torrent of abuse and threats of violence that had been raining down on her just seconds ago. "Thanks, Mister K" she said calmly, dusting herself off and resetting her hair amidst the disbelieving silence from those around her. When she was ready, she calmly picked up her pen and paper and turned to the now-glowering Lynda. "Right, Lynda," Toni began, clicking her biro, "tell me, do you prefer 'uber-bitch' or 'mega-bitch'?" Upstairs, Chrissy and Matt were laughing. "The look on Colin's face then ." coughed Chrissy " just priceless. I've always wanted to see that." "I was half expecting his head to explode" "So what now? How's the great experiment progressing?" "Well, I hope now they'll sit down and argue like cats and dogs for a few hours, but in a more civilised fashion. And in the end, Toni will have a book they can all live with. One that isn't five pages long." "I hope she's up to it" "So do I. But it's important she fights this one herself" "But what about shoe number two? When do you think that will drop?" "That's hard to say. I can tell you, though, who will be the first one to notice it." They shared a look, and then said in unison: "Sarah" "Look, could everyone please shut up for a minute" Sarah yelled again, with still no effect. Spike decided to step in and assist. "HEY! Can we zip it here people? That means you too, my love" he ended, playfully clamping his hand over her mouth. "Spike!" Lynda chastised, then she acquiesced. "Sorry Sarah" she shrugged. "Look," Sarah began again, "before we go any further, has anyone else noticed anything wrong about this picture. I mean, has anyone picked up on something missing" "Like what?" asked Lynda, confused. "Like maybe something that was a big part of the newsroom, except we all forgot about it. Like maybe someone we might have forgotten" Lynda was still confused. "Someone else? Who?" "Danny?" offered Julie. "Frazz?" tried Colin. "What?" asked Frazz, momentarily coming out from behind his magazine. "No, you morons!" snapped Spike, leaping up onto a chair. "She means Kenny! You know: the guy so cute and lovable they used him as the prototype for the Cabbage Patch Kids. Your assistant editor for three years! Come on, guys, Kenny!" Spike implored. "Oh Kenny!" said Julie excitedly, then she paused, confused. "I thought he was dead?" "Kenny" Colin nodded knowingly. "The guy in the wheelchair! Of course, I remember him! Ahhh, the times we had back then, me and him, pffff, well, we were like two peas in a bucket ." Colin shook his head, lapsing into a silent reminiscence. "Colin" cut in Frazz in his usual deadly serious tones. "Billy was the one in the wheelchair. Kenny was the one who went to Australia." "Er..right. Okay. Sorry, just a slight confusion on names there, Frazz, thanks. A hundred percent clear now; totally know who we're talking about. So this Kerry - " "Kenny" said the others as one. "- he goes to Australia, and then he dies? What, was he eaten by a wombat?" "He didn't die, Colin" Spike rejoined disdainfully. Then Spike was struck with the thought that he didn't actually know if that was true. "Well, I mean, not last I heard mebbe someone should call heaven, just to check" he added weakly. "Mr Kerr" said Sarah quietly, looking at the office window above them. "Mr Kerr" she said again, very loudly. She stared through the windows, at the face behind them until she saw she had his attention. "I think we need to ask you some questions," she said calmly. Since Spike had first said the word 'Kenny', Lynda had not moved. Something in her was screaming. Fiery strings of pain tore through her every muscle. In the back of her mind, a voice said: BITCH. Matt Kerr descended the steps again. "I was going to tell you" he said without apology. "In fact, I have two very important things to talk to you about tonight, before the party. The first is the very big development that is about to happen in the paper and your part in that. And -" Sarah cut him off effortlessly. "Mr Kerr, where's Kenny?". " - is the second thing." Bitch, said the voice again. No, said Lynda, no, it's just Heartless cold self-centred stupid bitch Shut up! she screamed to herself. You forgot. You forgot Kenny. You forgot your best friend. Your best friend! No I just . You forgot him like you forget everyone. No Like you forget everyone. No! Everyone. NO! Lynda said the last one out-loud, then she caught herself, and rushed for the toilets. She almost got there before the tears came. As Spike chased after her, Matt Kerr lowered himself into a chair, facing the remaining listeners, who stood ringed around him like hungry wolves. "Look, there's nothing strange about this" he began. "I simply felt it would be better to give you all a chance to catch up before giving you the news" "Thanks for your concern" said Frazz, sarcastically. "The fact is, I don't know where Kenny is. Nobody does. Kenny is currently registered with the New South Wales police as a missing person." "Lynda " Spike said with a soft knock on the bathroom door. "I know what you're doing, Lynda." "Oh?" yelled Lynda through the door. "Finally made it past potty training, have you?" Spike sighed. "I mean, I know what you're doing to yourself." "Back off, Thompson. Just leave me alone" "It's stupid, Lynda, really stupid. So you forgot Kenny for a second - it doesn't mean you are a horrible person" "Spike, leave me alone". The last word was a sob as the tears broke through again. "It doesn't mean you weren't his friend!" Spike yelled plaintively. "Missing?" said Sarah. "Do you mean missing as in his plane blew up into a million pieces and we can't find the body yet," broke in Frazz, "or missing as in he went off for a dirty weekend and never came back to work?" "Maybe you should start at the beginning, Mr Kerr" Sarah suggested. Lynda held her back hard against the bathroom door and sunk slowly down to her haunches. Bitter, angry tears splattered her cheeks and stung her eyes. She could only think one word, over and over again: Kenny. Kenny. Oh dear God, she thought, what have I done? "As most you will recall," began Matt, "Kenny has been living in Australia since his move there in 1990. He is currently working as a writer and sub-editor for a major paper. However, two weeks ago he left his apartment and never came back. The police have been notified; at the moment, the best theory anyone has is that he was following a sensitive story source incognito." "What makes them think that?" asked Sarah. "According to the police, his departure was planned in advance. He paid his bills and took care of loose ends the few days before he left." "And then he just vanished?" Tiddler whispered. "As far as anyone knows." "God" said Julie, slumping into a chair. "'s what I was gonna say" said Sarah, morosely. "It's almost unbelievable" said Colin. "I mean, how far could he get in a wheelchair?" Matt gave them some time for it to sink in. In silence, Sarah walked over to Spike and explained, and they shared a hug. Frazz tossed his magazine away and went to the window. The others just sat and stared for a few minutes, waiting for their minds to find some way to accept the news. Over the last ten years, each one of them had kept a little vision of all their colleagues in their minds, preserved forever as they were then. To have this vision being so violently pulled into the world of reality was unsettling, but to now see that perfect vision clouded by the possibility that it - that Kenny - was under threat, that he could even vanish altogether, was a cruel and frightful shock. Spike and Sarah broke apart. "Let me," Spike swallowed, "er, let me tell Lynda, OK?" Sarah nodded. She squeezed his hand and then slowly let it go, walking back to join the others. Spike turned, resting his face on the toilet door and pounded his fist hard into the frame. Dammit, he thought. Damn him. Damn him for being lost, for doing this to them. Damn him to hell. Spike closed his eyes for a second and then spoke, softly: "Lynda?". After a moment, a hoarse reply came back "What?". Spike sighed. "It's about Kenny " After a while, Matt began again. "There's more to this story," he said, clearing his throat. "and this is the important part". Before anyone could object to that remark, Matt reached into his jacket and produced a stack of airline tickets and slid them across the table. "That's seven return tickets to Australia." "What?" said Sarah. "Kenny is missing. You are going to find him." "Damn right we are" Flanked by Spike, Lynda was striding back towards the group, arms crossed, face pinched from the effort of composure. "I can't have my assistant editor going missing like that," she added with confidence. "You never know what might happen to him" "Right. We go find Kenny then" said Frazz dryly. "But since when does the Junior Gazette have the money to fund rescue missions?" "That, Fraser", said Matt, "is the other thing we need to talk about" Matt was talking for a long time. As he went on, they all slowly returned to their seats and listened in silence. After a while, Chrissie passed around some coffees. "I should begin by telling you that the Junior Gazette has recently been purchased by a new owner. Not the Gazette - just the Junior Gazette; it's been purchased out from Bob Campbell's company. In discussion with the new owner, we've come up with a new way forward." "You know that when the Junior Gazette began, it had a different philosophy at first. We wanted it to be a school-based program, about giving senior students a taste of journalism. It was never meant to be a commercial enterprise. And for good reason. Lynda and Toni's brave efforts aside, the Gazette has been struggling for funds from the very beginning. It has taken more than one miracle for it to survive this long." "Our new owner has an idea that will bring both these previous methods together. The Junior Gazette will return to being more integrated into schools, but will remain an independent financial body." "How do we do that, Mr Kerr?" It was Sarah, of course. "In the ten years since the Gazette started, don't you think it would have attracted some attention from other schools? At first, of course, they were skeptical, but soon you guys became a hit. Every school in the country wants to set up a program like this, on various different scales. Some of them already have." "But some haven't" finished Spike. "No, most of them haven't." "Why not?" Spike returned. Matt sighed. "Because they just don't have the resources, either within the school or without. Indeed, very few papers will even consider the idea." "And that's where we come in, right?" said Lynda, suspiciously. "Right. The new owner's idea is that we sell off the licence to produce the Junior Gazette to schools across the country. Part of that license involves us providing resources and infrastructure to get them started." "I get it," broke in Frazz. "They pay us the money, and we get everything set up for 'em - show them how it's done." "Exactly. We take the place of the supporting parent paper. We organise the printing and distribution, and help the school set up whatever internal programs they need." "So " said Julie, slowly, "the paper - the individual papers, I mean - wouldn't actually be a commercial enterprise, really, would it? They would all be owned by you - the company. So it really is back like the old days" "Not quite" said Matt. "The new owner feels that a middle ground can be found here as well. Schools will be able to buy off our support as they go, assuming they make any money. If they make enough money, the school, or the local paper can buy the rights to their particular Gazette outright, and set up their own paper, just like you did." Colin was shaking his head, complete lost to marvelling. "Brilliant. Brilliant! It's a franchise! It's, it's it's McDonalds! It's the fast food chain of teenage journalism." He gawped at the rest of them. "I mean, do you know how much money you can make from a scheme like this? It's sheer genius!" Something in Colin clicked, and he leapt from his seat. "Matt - Mr Kerr" he said with extreme seriousness, "I feel, that, as an original member of the team, it would only be fair you let me in on the ground floor on this one. What say we become partners, hey boss?" Colin's eyes twinkled. Matt responded by pulling from his jacket another seven pieces of paper. "Contracts," he said simply. "The new owner and I decided that we couldn't think of a group of people better suited to run this enterprise than the people who set it up in the beginning. Don't read them now" he added, as they unfolded the documents, "take them home and think about it. It's a big decision." "Mr Kerr" monotoned Sarah, still staring down, glancing through each pages of the contract. "What, Sarah?" "All of this is all very interesting," Sarah continued, flipping to the last page and looking up, 'but you still haven't answered Frazz's question: how can we afford seven tickets to Australia? The company hasn't actually made any money yet" "Well, they aren't all paid for yet - it depends on how many of you are going. And our new owner is quite well off, apparently" "That doesn't explain why he's willing to pay for us to track down an old friend" shot back Spike. "Rich people aren't often known for their Christian charity, if you know what I mean" "As I said, the idea would be to open up this offer to schools all over Britain." Matt Kerr paused dramatically, then added "And maybe Australia as well" Frazz laughed. "So what, we're writing this whole rescue mission off as a jaunt to check out the territory, is that it? I tell you, I wish I had this guy's accountant" Frazz added to Spike. "I know" returned Spike jovially. "Next year, I say we plan an expansion of the Junior Gazette to, oooh, Barbados?" "Tahiti?" suggested Frazz. "I hear they have a really thirst for teenage journalism on the French Riviera" joined in Toni, giggling. "Look," broke in Matt. "There is actually a serious need for you to go to Australia about this deal. But yes, we pushed it through when we heard about Kenny. The new owner though you would appreciate this, given " Matt broke off, leaving a short, uncomfortable silence. "Mr Kerr" said Lynda quietly. "You keep saying that." "What?" " 'The new owner'," Lynda parroted. " Like you don't want us to know who he is or something" Lynda thought out-loud. "Well ", Matt stumbled. "Why the secrecy, Mr Kerr?" Lynda asked, growing more confident as she grew more suspicious. "What exactly is going on here? There's this mysterious new owner, who just flies in out of nowhere and turns the Junior Gazette into the journalistic equivalent of McDonalds, yes? So just who the hell is this guy?" "I've told you before, Lynda" boomed a new voice from the door, "I'm your Guardian Angel" From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 17 01:41:58 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:41:58 +1000 Subject: ARGH! IGNORE MY LAST POST! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <20000716235448.6866.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000717104158.00877320@mail.futureweb.com.au> PLEASE IGNORE THIS POST IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO NATACHA ONLY!!!! DOH! Oh, well, it's too late now. If you want to read Chapter Four before it is finished, I can't stop you. Steve At 10:39 17/07/00 +1000, you wrote: > >Thanks a LOT. Just plain text - if you prefer a Word file, let me know. > >Steve > >PS Will see about putting you on the list when the site starts working again. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Mon Jul 17 02:22:13 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:22:13 +1000 Subject: OK, you can read it then In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000716121750.008791c0@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000715234253.00897480@mail.futureweb.com.au> <004301bfee30$ed292200$7b2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000715002704.0087de10@mail.futureweb.com.au> <39709CBE.E532C7AD@geocities.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000717112213.00881e50@mail.futureweb.com.au> Official sanction by the Amazing Editor Girl (leaps over manuscripts in a single bound) has been given, so I guess y'all can read the pre-released version. I'll put it up on my website too, but if you want to cut out the middle man, be my guest. Not that I could have stopped you anyway, but this way you don't have to feel guilty about it! :-D Feedback appreciated as always. Cheerybye, Steve From prydonia at accn.org Mon Jul 17 10:40:18 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:40:18 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <001001bfefd3$0714ba00$288b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 17, 2000 With apologies to Steve Darlington, here goes..... Lynda: What makes you think you'll get an interview when we didn't? Spike: Well, let's face it. I'm much prettier than you are. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 17 10:51:24 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:51:24 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Julia in "The Look". In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Jul 00, at 8:44, Cameene Pitters wrote: > All you UKers, run out NOW and buy a copy (or three) of today's Daily Mirror > because there's a great big picture of her on the front of the TV magazine - > well, either it's her or someone who looks a lot like her. I presume > there's a big 'Chicken Run' interview inside. > > Steve, she looks rather sexy... I think she had her cleavage out again. > > Cameene - the tease. Steve, ignore Cameene, the rotten tease - no cleavage anywhere in sight. Anyway, us Julia-oglers will find much to disappoint in the article, as she spends most of it going on about how happy she is with this total Richard she's going steady with. :o( David. This week I have been mostly re-reading: "Casino Royale" by Ian Fleming. http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From thlaylirah at geocities.com Tue Jul 18 02:06:53 2000 From: thlaylirah at geocities.com (Thlayli-rah) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:06:53 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Thinking about editors (Steve's fiction) References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> Argh! What happens next?????? I need to know!!!!! ~Corby > Thanks a LOT. Just plain text - if you prefer a Word file, let me know. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 17 14:46:50 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:46:50 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Thinking about editors (Steve's fiction) References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> Message-ID: <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thlayli-rah" To: "Press Gang Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [pressgang] Thinking about editors (Steve's fiction) > Argh! What happens next?????? I need to know!!!!! > I also have been sucked in - despite the fact that I haven't read chapters 1, 2 or 3! Richard, on the edge of his seat in anticipation (well, actually that's mainly because this chair's so damn uncomfortable!) From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 17 15:16:59 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:16:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Theories about A Quarter to Midnight References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <005301bfeff9$ac967560$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Hello Everyone Listen, this has probably been discussed many times on-list before, but just in case it hasn't - or people were still interested in it anyway - I thought I may as well smack it up on your interpols and see if the cat salutes it (or something....!) I was just thinking today about how symbolic the whole concept of the episode A Quarter to Midnight is about Spike and Lynda's relationship. Spike's always been trying to break down the barriers that Lynda has built up around herself, but to no avail - and maybe that's the tragic thing. Maybe he *can't* break them down, he can't be the one to save her, and they're just destined not to be together. Spike can't - and doesn't - save Lynda from the vault - she saves herself. So maybe the thing here is that only Lynda has the key to freeing herself from her own securities, and in fact that Spike's presence will have very little impact or effect on that process? That he may even be aggravating the problem? (If it wasn't for Lynda's lucky number, she'd be dead by the time Spike et al had gone to the Sherrington Highway and then realised she'd been under their noses the whole time). I realise this completely throws Steve's theory into disarray - or maybe not, he may have other things to say about that - and nor am I suggesting that this theory is correct. I'm just putting it out there as a possibility. At the Brissie meeting the other night, as we sat watching 'Something Terrible' someone pointed out that already it was Spike who was being the more affectionate of the two - that they were doomed from the start. This would seem to justify the many cliffhanger endings in the show - from 'The Big Finish?' to 'There Are Crocodiles' - in that there is no certainty in their relationship - the type of certainty Lynda yearns for in 'Day Dreams' - and there never can be; simply because they have two separate destinies - apart from each other. Parallels could be drawn between Kenny and the Dublin girl, or even Colin and Judy/Julie I suppose. No relationship in Press Gang has any certainty about it, and all of the other romances surrounding Spike and Lynda - including, as pointed out in 'Day Dreams' Spike's parents - have ammounted to heartbreak, or simply nothing at all. So why should Spike and Lynda be any different? Aren't all these other failed 'sub-plot relationships' simply indicators pointing towards the ultimate doomed relationship of the series? I've kind of rambled here but I hope you see my point. I hope I'm not just treading old ground here. What do other people think? Richard -- This week I have been mostly - besides temporarily ripping off David's tag-line of course! - reading, following Bel's ravings, the first in the 'Harry Potter' series: 'The Philosopher's Stone', and may I confirm that I am now officially hooked! From natacha_t at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 00:28:35 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Theories about A Quarter to Midnight Message-ID: <20000717232835.13985.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah makes sence. Natacha --- "Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd." wrote: > Hello Everyone > > Listen, this has probably been discussed many times > on-list before, but just > in case it hasn't - or people were still interested > in it anyway - I thought > I may as well smack it up on your interpols and see > if the cat salutes it > (or something....!) > > I was just thinking today about how symbolic the > whole concept of the > episode A Quarter to Midnight is about Spike and > Lynda's relationship. > Spike's always been trying to break down the > barriers that Lynda has built > up around herself, but to no avail - and maybe > that's the tragic thing. > Maybe he *can't* break them down, he can't be the > one to save her, and > they're just destined not to be together. Spike > can't - and doesn't - save > Lynda from the vault - she saves herself. So maybe > the thing here is that > only Lynda has the key to freeing herself from her > own securities, and in > fact that Spike's presence will have very little > impact or effect on that > process? That he may even be aggravating the > problem? (If it wasn't for > Lynda's lucky number, she'd be dead by the time > Spike et al had gone to the > Sherrington Highway and then realised she'd been > under their noses the whole > time). I realise this completely throws Steve's > theory into disarray - or > maybe not, he may have other things to say about > that - and nor am I > suggesting that this theory is correct. I'm just > putting it out there as a > possibility. > > At the Brissie meeting the other night, as we sat > watching 'Something > Terrible' someone pointed out that already it was > Spike who was being the > more affectionate of the two - that they were doomed > from the start. This > would seem to justify the many cliffhanger endings > in the show - from 'The > Big Finish?' to 'There Are Crocodiles' - in that > there is no certainty in > their relationship - the type of certainty Lynda > yearns for in 'Day > Dreams' - and there never can be; simply because > they have two separate > destinies - apart from each other. Parallels could > be drawn between Kenny > and the Dublin girl, or even Colin and Judy/Julie I > suppose. No > relationship in Press Gang has any certainty about > it, and all of the other > romances surrounding Spike and Lynda - including, as > pointed out in 'Day > Dreams' Spike's parents - have ammounted to > heartbreak, or simply nothing at > all. So why should Spike and Lynda be any > different? Aren't all these > other failed 'sub-plot relationships' simply > indicators pointing towards the > ultimate doomed relationship of the series? > > I've kind of rambled here but I hope you see my > point. > > I hope I'm not just treading old ground here. What > do other people think? > > Richard > > -- > This week I have been mostly - besides temporarily > ripping off David's > tag-line of course! - reading, following Bel's > ravings, the first in the > 'Harry Potter' series: 'The Philosopher's Stone', > and may I confirm that I > am now officially hooked! > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From thlaylirah at geocities.com Tue Jul 18 19:23:59 2000 From: thlaylirah at geocities.com (Thlayli-rah) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:23:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Thinking about editors (Steve's fiction) References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <3974A0BF.28A4B668@geocities.com> > > Argh! What happens next?????? I need to know!!!!! > > > > I also have been sucked in - despite the fact that I haven't read chapters > 1, 2 or 3! Actually, I haven't either. ;) ~Corby __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From gilzy at shanklygates.com Tue Jul 18 10:34:42 2000 From: gilzy at shanklygates.com (Luke Gillman) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:34:42 -0700 Subject: [pressgang] Intro and an interesting tit-bit Message-ID: <200007180934.CAA01962@mail12.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000718/35458d1f/attachment.diff From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 11:17:04 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:17:04 +1000 Subject: Multimedia In-Reply-To: <3974A0BF.28A4B668@geocities.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000718201704.00876c60@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 04:23 19/07/00 +1000, you wrote: >> > Argh! What happens next?????? I need to know!!!!! >> > >> >> I also have been sucked in - despite the fact that I haven't read chapters >> 1, 2 or 3! > >Actually, I haven't either. ;) Oh I see. The internet isn't convenient enough for the average punter. It's too much effort to type in an URL. He wants it right there, in the cup. :-) So would it help if I posted 1, 2 and 3 and all subsequent installments straight to the list? Or, if others have a problem with that, straight to an emailing list for those who want one? Would that indeed, dramatically increase my readership? I'm happy to do so (hey, whatever it takes to be read) but I'm sure some people would object. Because if I do it, everyone does it, and next thing you know the list is clogged up with nothing but waves of FF. Let me know. Steve PS Thanks for at least reading it, though, Corby and Richard. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 11:45:36 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:45:36 +1000 Subject: Doomed In-Reply-To: <005301bfeff9$ac967560$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000718204536.00897c50@mail.futureweb.com.au> Mmm. Juicy theory stuff. First off, there's nothing in this that defies my theories explicitly (which one do you mean?). I too have long spouted the idea that ulitmately, no matter what Spike does, until Lynda actually takes that first step and comes out of her protective armour, they can never be happy. This is the whole POINT of Day Dreams, and indeed, the entire show. This is the nature of the cental dynamic. We want Spike and Lynda to be together, but we sympathise with Lynda's vulnerability so can't judge her too harshly, yet also sympathise deeply with Spike and so while on one hand we desperately want him to keep trying, we would also just like them to stop hurting each other. And there's only two ways that can happen. As Spike says in Day Dreams, they have to make a final choice - apart or together. That's why Day Dreams ends the series for me. It brings this relationship to the final conclusion, Lynda makes the choice and finally takes a step outside her armour. They have a chance. But while AQTM is perhaps something of a metaphor for this, I don't think you can use the elements of the metaphor as part of your argument for the real facts. That's just way too shaky ground. I need evidence of ideas like "Spike is acerbating the situation". BUT doomed in general? Certainly their doom is guaranteed pre-Day Dreams (although she comes close in The Big Finish?), and is obvious from the start, or at least the central tension which will inevitably lead to their doom is obvious from the start. Sans series five, though, there is a happy ending, and depending how you view the end of TAC, also a potential survival for the couple there - another happy ending. Of course, I also see Spike's walking away from Lynda and being happy with Zoe in Holding On as a happy ending, but then I'm the only person on Earth who thinks Zoe is remotely attractive. So yeah, I can accept the doomed hypothesis quite easily. But it's only a hypothesis. If we're talking extrapolating from the characters as they stand in TAC, we can't really know how things will develop, and how the fire has changed Lynda. And I don't think there is that much of a recurring pattern here that gives us a certainty. Certainly Moffat clearly establishes (and indeed, says it himself in The Big Finish?) there are no guaranteed happy endings. There are no tidy, storybook romances in his universe, as in real life - numbers get lost, duplicating machines fall on people, some people are incompatible, some people are just jerks, nothing is certain and everything needs to be worked at or it will fall apart. But series five proves conclusively that even being the Happy Couple is no happy ending. Their relationship is still conflicted and still needs work. So I don't think Moffat's patterns automatically point to doom for the two. Their relationship - whatever its official state - has always been tinged with ugliness, bitterness and the need for dirty, bloody hard work to be done, but behind that tinged with hope for better days and real love underneath it all which makes us keep watching. And I don't think that's just because of the audience's romantic sensibilities, I think Moffat keeps that firing quite deliberately. So no, I don't think definitely doomed. I think Moffat is too clever to ever make ANYTHING definite. Cheers, Steve From s366365 at student.uq.edu.au Tue Jul 18 12:16:17 2000 From: s366365 at student.uq.edu.au (jen botting) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:16:17 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Multimedia In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000718201704.00876c60@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <3974A0BF.28A4B668@geocities.com> <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000718211336.00b371d0@student.uq.edu.au> > Or, if others have a problem with that, straight to >an emailing list for those who want one? Would that indeed, dramatically >increase my readership? yes please! love jen ps after last night's episode, can you please add me to the Buffy list? *waggles some cheese slices in Steve's face* From jalexn_ml at hotmail.com Wed Jul 19 04:56:45 2000 From: jalexn_ml at hotmail.com (JAlex N) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:56:45 EST Subject: Hi from a lurker... Message-ID: <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Adam Mulvey" >Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:39:53 GMT0BST > >It's like Kenny's line - "We've all been following this dopey love >story since page one." He's talking about him, them and us all at /me taking a step outside of lurkdom for a second =)) /me has been reading the backlog of e'mails (check the date of the above post hehe) - and reading some recent ones as well... I'm sure it's been covered countless of times - but wasn't it Tidler who mentioned the above quote in the 2nd or 3rd last episode of the 2nd season? Re- the Buffy/Angel off-topic threads - just wanted to mention I've enjoyed this off-topic as well as the other threads, it doesn't hurt that I love these 2 shows =D I can't believe I missed it last nite tho =(( I thought we wouldn't see the last episode and didn't even think to check =(( Does anyone here know of any good mailing lists for either/both shows? Pls reply to meeh privately if this is a banned topic here =)) Is this list available in digest form? /me now returns back to the e'mails - hopefully I'll catch up soon =)) I am skimming here and there of course =)) TTYS, meeh.. Aileen. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jordang at bit.net.au Tue Jul 18 14:36:04 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:36:04 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Doomed (Warning! Spoilers galore!) References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au><3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com><003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000718204536.00897c50@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <001d01bff0bd$1f829540$722bd7d2@pavilion> SPOILER SPACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So no, I don't think definitely doomed. I think Moffat is too clever to > ever make ANYTHING definite. > Hmmm...interesting. I'll have to think about that a bit more before I fully respond. But your mentioning of 'Day Dreams' did provoke a thought - what do you personally feel happened after Lynda's "I think..." ? If she actually told him that she loved him, then you're right, it's a happy ending and they go onto be the "happy" couple in series 5. But what if she didn't? Sure, they stay together, but they've been staying together for years without her telling him she loves him, despite his bemoaning about the issue. What if she just left it like she'd always done? This puts their relationship into a whole different light in series 5, and it's not a "happy" one at all, because nothing would have changed in their relationship (Of course Lynda herself changes throughout the last season, but I won't venture down that path for the time being). Personally, I'd always assumed she had said she'd loved him afterwards, because they'd ended up together for season 5. But not necessarily. And no-one can argue that if she hadn't said she'd loved him, then Spike would have left her like in her dream - because it *was* only a dream, wasn't it? Only a figment of Lynda's imaginiation, a product of her troubled (and guilty) mind? I don't know. Maybe I'm just "following a long long way behind" and every longterm member of this list worked this out ages ago... As for the doomed debate, when you look at it this way - Spike's almost killed in an explosion and a gun seige, Lynda's locked in a vault and trapped in a burning building - given these factors alone, are these people really meant for each other? Admittedly, the fact that they've survived all these major obstacles to be with each other could be proof enough that they are, and yet it's pretty extraordinary just how far events in their lives will go to keep them apart. And who's to say Lynda really loves Spike anyway? If she hates herself, how can she truly love another person, whether they're her 'saviour' or not?* Anyway, just some thoughts... Richard *I really don't want to believe this remark at all - so much so that I've actually forced myself not to believe it, hey I love happy endings as much as everyone else! - but surely there's no harm in throwing these things up in the air...! From jordang at bit.net.au Tue Jul 18 14:46:06 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:46:06 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Multimedia References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au><3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com><003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000718201704.00876c60@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <002501bff0be$862fdf40$722bd7d2@pavilion> > Oh I see. The internet isn't convenient enough for the average punter. > It's too much effort to type in an URL. He wants it right there, in the > cup. :-) Are they up on your webpage? (Pardon my ignorance!) If they are just say the word and I'll pay a visit and catch up on The Story So Far... It ain't that much trouble go to a URL! Don't send them to the list. I mean, there were no outbursts last time because it was a genuine accident, but making it a regular (and purposeful) occurance may not invoke the most positive reactions from many listees (not because of the content of course, but simply - as you pointed out - for cluttering up the list, which God knows people like me do enough of already! ;-) ) Richard -- Sugar: Water Polo? Isn't that terribly dangerous? 'Junior': I'll say. I had two ponies drown under me. "Some like it Hot" (1949) From jordang at bit.net.au Tue Jul 18 14:59:16 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:59:16 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Hi from a lurker... References: <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> > > I'm sure it's been covered countless of times - but wasn't it Tidler who > mentioned the above quote in the 2nd or 3rd last episode of the 2nd season? Yes, indeed it is - well spotted... > > Is this list available in digest form? It is, but I've no idea of how to get it. What's the deal with that people? I've always been kind of interested in it myself. What are the main advantages of receiving this list in digest and how do you go about doing so? Richard From jalexn_ml at hotmail.com Wed Jul 19 05:56:56 2000 From: jalexn_ml at hotmail.com (JAlex N) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:56:56 EST Subject: Julia Sawalha and PG-AbFab-FaithInTheFuture Message-ID: <20000718135656.80694.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, meeh again =)) I've jumped from reading 20 May ish posts to more recent ones and am enjoying reading the posts regarding JS in Press Gang and Ab Fab.. I've also enjoyed watching her in Faith In The Future - a friend of mine had taped the episodes when they were on FoxTel a few years back... I had always wondered on what happened with the season ending where Faith and JS' character (the character's name is on the tip of my tongue..) went to France and planned on marrying, then the following season it's as if nothing had happened - can someone explain? Unfortunately, my second tape of FITF hasn't survived - the tape's gotten "krinkly" (razor-like marks on the tape itself) and I don't think I'll be able to resuscitate (sp?) it =((( >-Miranda Richardson (need I say more?) Is MR the actress in THE SCOLD'S BRIDLE? Which episode of Ab Fab was she in? Who did she play? >-Paul Reynolds popping up in that one episode I've always thought it would've been great to see an interaction between Paul Reynolds and JS, but his character and Bubbles were amusing in that scene (little tho the part was) /me returning to the posts =)) TTYS, meeh. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From muzza at pressgang.org Tue Jul 18 15:04:59 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:04:59 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] Doomed (Warning! Spoilers galore!) In-Reply-To: <001d01bff0bd$1f829540$722bd7d2@pavilion> References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000718204536.00897c50@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220139.00bbd3a0@mail.iinet.net.au> Richard wrote: >SPOILER SPACE! Good on you for notifying about spoilers, Richard, but I think that it's a good idea to say what your post contains spoiler *of*. eg in this case "Spoilers:season 5". Murray ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From prydonia at accn.org Tue Jul 18 15:20:28 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:20:28 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <006201bff0c3$6ff242e0$428b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 18, 2000 Spike: I'm your singing telegram. Amanda: Singing telegram? Spike: Yeah. Where can I park my axe? "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From muzza at pressgang.org Tue Jul 18 15:31:29 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:31:29 +0800 Subject: Digest mode In-Reply-To: <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> References: <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> Richard wrote: > > Is this list available in digest form? >It is, but I've no idea of how to get it. What's the deal with that people? >I've always been kind of interested in it myself. What are the main >advantages of receiving this list in digest and how do you go about doing >so? It seems that the digest and "normal" modes are run as separate entities - so you would need to unsubscribe from the post-by-post ("normal") list and then subscribe to the digest list in order to switch. To remove your address from the list (normal mode), send a message to: To subscribe in digest mode, send a message to: In both cases (both subscribing and unsubscribing) you'll be asked to send a mail to confirm that you want to (un) subscribe. The mails you send to these addresses need not have any subject or message text (though I don't think it matters if you do). You'll need to make sure you are posting from the address you wish to (un)subscribe to, though. To switch back to normal mode, post to: and: As for advantages/disadvantages, I suppose the only disadvantages of digest are: 1) If people don't trim their mails (ie they leave previous posts in their message body following what they write), you have to do a lot of scrolling to get to read the digests. 2) (Obviously) you get mail less often, so are less likely to be first in with an answer/get an immediate answer to a question. 3) As someone recently discovered - while the digest is sent out daily most of the time, the server only checks if it's time to post a digest out when it receives a new mail - so if (by some freak of nature) there is no mail for quite a long while you won't get the mails since the previous digest until another post is sent to the list - so you could be getting the most recent mails a few days late (eg if a digest is sent, then ten mails are sent in the next 2 hours, then there is no other mail sent until - say - 40 hours later, you'll be getting mail 42 hours old). All that said - that would have to be a *freakishly* rare occurrence. :-) Hope that's of use. Murray PS - Hi Luke, and welcome "back", Aileen. PPS - Luke - I think it was you who asked, and maybe you've already received an answer - Travis runs the PGML "demography list" these days - so if you want to find out who's in your area, what the age distribution of the list is, what kinds of kinky sex acts any members of the list get up to*, etc, you could mail him and ask him very nicely to send you a copy. :-) * I *may* have lied about that one. ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 16:46:10 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:46:10 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Digest mode In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> >PPS - Luke - I think it was you who asked, and maybe you've already >received an answer - Travis runs the PGML "demography list" these days - so >if you want to find out who's in your area, what the age distribution of >the list is, what kinds of kinky sex acts any members of the list get up >to*, etc, you could mail him and ask him very nicely to send you a copy. :-) > >* I *may* have lied about that one. I don't think you lied. Or did you forget Trav's (and mine) well documented penchant for www.goatporn.com? Cheers, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 16:59:29 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:59:29 +1000 Subject: Where my fan fic is at In-Reply-To: <002501bff0be$862fdf40$722bd7d2@pavilion> References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000718201704.00876c60@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719015929.008a38a0@mail.futureweb.com.au> >Are they up on your webpage? (Pardon my ignorance!) You were on list during the numerous announcements of list, so don't claim newbie status as an excuse. Not giving a damn counts as an excuse, though. :-) Anyway, here is what Steph had to say recently: This is a public service announcement for the benefit of all members of this list. You absolutely must go to Steve's fanfic page and have a read. Seriously Steve, I think I'll have to start calling you Moffat Junior from now on. I don't know how you managed to come up with Spike and Lynda dialogue like that, but it is absolutely incredible. I could hear the words being spoken by them as I read. It's the first time in over five years that I've heard them have a fresh argument. Many thanks for providing it. All this from someone who's never even been into fanfic! Please, everyone, go and have a read. You won't be disappointed. Here's the link again, so no excuses: http://www.geocities.com/catstesha/return2.html Note that there are also more of my PG writings here, if anyone cares: http://www.geocities.com/catstesha/writing.html >It ain't that much trouble go to a URL! I didn't think so. But people do find things easier thru email, and it does take that extra effort to click on something. There are a lot of people on list who vaguely care but can't be bothered reading it - and who may be bothered if it is in their inbox. Yes? No? How many people agree with that? And how many - besides Jen - would like a separate list? Steve PS Thanks to Bec and Jen for offering at the last meet that most wonderful of things: anticipation. Much appreciated. From muzza at pressgang.org Tue Jul 18 17:32:38 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:32:38 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] Digest mode In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> Steve wrote: >I don't think you lied. Or did you forget Trav's (and mine) well >documented penchant for www.goatporn.com? Trust me- that's something I will never be able to forget. :-) I am also most disturbed to discover - having finally given in to the temptation to try clicking the above address to see if it exists* - that it does actually exist!!! Thankfully (?) it seems to just forward the erstwhile caprinophile to a log-in page for some (it would seem) human pornographic material. Murray (*Yes I could have pretended I'd clicked it accidentally, but I admit - I couldn't resist knowing whether this page (which will be referred to several times from the pressgang.org site if Matt gets around to updating the archives!) existed. :-) - and I am not even going to *tell* you how long it took me to find the "-ine" term for goats :-) ) ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 17:34:52 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:34:52 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Doomed (Warning! Spoilers galore!) In-Reply-To: <001d01bff0bd$1f829540$722bd7d2@pavilion> References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000718204536.00897c50@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719023452.008a4100@mail.futureweb.com.au> >But your mentioning of 'Day Dreams' did provoke a thought - what do you >personally feel happened after Lynda's "I think..." ? For me, that was the end of the show. It was two years before we got series five in Australia. So I saw that as a closure, and therefore choose to believe she told him. In fact, I actually didn't notice the "I think" the first time I saw it, or if I did I ascribed no meaning to it. If she doesn't, it invalidates the whole point of the episode, and most of the show as well. The point of Day Dreams is it takes Lynda to the very edge of her fears. The warning from Spike's mother gives her (and us) a clear escape route, complete and utter verification that things are doomed and her idea of flight is the best idea. She's going to run. Then a guardian angel shows her what would happen if she did, if she made that choice with no going back, to lose him forever. And she learns that if it is forever, she can't do it. She knows what she has to do. To not then extrapolate that she puts that into action kinda defeats the purpose of the episode. It would be like if Jimmy Stewart still killed himself at the end of It's a Wonderful Life. Dumb and pointless. That's why I don't like the I think, at least, not if you put too much emphasis on it (the same problem occurs with TAC - too much emph on the cliffhanger, not enough on the actual point). The I think makes things a little more human. She's got a second chance, but she's not suddenly a saint. It's not going to be easy to step back - it's not enough to simply say "I love you" and expect everything to be alright. She has to keep working on it. This then is the point of the fifth series - Lynda trying to work on things, with varying levels of success. And no-one can argue that if she hadn't said she'd loved >him, then Spike would have left her like in her dream - because it *was* >only a dream, wasn't it? Only a figment of Lynda's imaginiation, a product >of her troubled (and guilty) mind? There are clues it is a dream. For example, Spike is dressed differently, both before and after the dream. But this is never established for certain, and that doesn't mean it isn't prophetic or contains real ideas (I think Mr Sullivan IS her guardian angel, for example). Anyway, I believe from what we've seen of Spike leading up to that, and the whole point of the episode is that he is reaching breaking point. I have faith in Spike that he could get away from her forever if need be. Admittedly, the fact that they've survived all >these major obstacles to be with each other could be proof enough that they >are, and yet it's pretty extraordinary just how far events in their lives >will go to keep them apart. Disasters are nothing (and indeed, meaningless except for the emotional disasters they produce, because S&L is purely an emotional story). What's amazing is how they've come through all the hurt they caused each other. Or rather, how Spike has survived through everything she's done to hurt him, and kept coming back for more. That's why he's our hero, why we all adore him, why he's such a central figure - he's the white knight, who will never surrender, no matter what the cost, until he rescues his love from the dragon. Arguing that the if they were meant to be together the universe wouldn't have set them apart is a bit like saying that if the knight was meant to save the princess, the dragon wouldn't have stolen her in the first place. (The twist is of course, that the princess and the dragon are one and the same. This by the way is the definition of drama as opposed to melodrama. Melodrama involves a Villain, a Victim and a Hero. Drama also involves those but allows them to be different people at different times. Spike for example is also the Victim of his love, and Lynda the Hero who defeats her own dragon to rescue him) And who's to say Lynda really loves Spike >anyway? If she hates herself, how can she truly love another person, >whether they're her 'saviour' or not?* Well no, she can't. She can be in love with him, but she can't really love him. She can try, she can take baby steps towards that, but as long as she hates herself, the armour will always be ready to be raised again. This is the point of TAC. The key lesson she learns here is how to deal with her self-hatred. To fight against it. And thus, hopefully, begin to move towards completing the promise she made at the end of Day Dreams. Will she ever really complete things? I doubt it. Spike will always be playing catch-up, he will always love her more than she loves him. Still, I think they can make something work and be happy even so. But then, I have an idea of a softer Lynda post-TAC than some, as is evident in my fiction. I just can't stand to write for her as bitchy as Moffat does, because it hurts Spike (and others) too much! Ya gotta be ruthless to be a writer... Cheers, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 17:37:52 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:37:52 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Digest mode In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719023752.008a8460@mail.futureweb.com.au> >- and I am not even going to *tell* you how long it took me to find the >"-ine" term for goats :-) ) I tried to make a list of them all once - they're really hard to dig up beyond the obvious ones. Thanks for the goat one. Steve, collector of odd things. PS Murine - mouse. Ovine - sheep. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 17:39:43 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:39:43 +1000 Subject: Professional Goat Porn Website Reviewer In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719023943.008a9d00@mail.futureweb.com.au> >I am also most disturbed to discover - having finally given in to the >temptation to try clicking the above address to see if it exists* - that it >does actually exist!!! Thankfully (?) it seems to just forward the >erstwhile caprinophile to a log-in page for some (it would seem) human >pornographic material. BTW, if you read my posts, you would know this, cos I reported all of this when Trav first sent the link around. My personal service from me to you, to avoid you any embarassment. The moral is: "Don't go to mythical places with strange men" Cheers, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 18 17:53:05 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:53:05 +1000 Subject: That list of mine I mentioned In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000719015929.008a38a0@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <002501bff0be$862fdf40$722bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> <3.0.5.32.20000718201704.00876c60@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719025305.008aeeb0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Erk. Well, thing is I sorted just started that list with a few friends of mine, some on list, some off. It was just supposed to be a few Buffy fans chinwagging and sharing our post-Buffy glee after each wicked episode - plus also allow for glee from all the other shows we had in common - ER, Wildside, Homicide etc. (this ain't just a Buffy list). It was a bit low on posts so I thought I'd ask the list just casually. I didn't think I'd get such a huge response. So um, I have to figure out if we add you all and change the nature of the list a bit, or just allow some of you (like say Aussies only to retard spoilage*), or close the sucker down, or what. I also don't want to create a list too close to the PG list, otherwise there will be contamination and cause too much Buffy/else leaking into PG and vice versa. So um. I guess what I'm saying is that for now, I have to rescind my invitation until I figure out what the hell I'm doing here. In the meantime, if you're desperate to gush about the fact that Buffy's clock read 7.30 just like Faith said 7.30 in the dream in the climax of series three, mail me off list. Cheers, Steve *I've been waiting years to use that joke. From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 18 23:24:29 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:24:29 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] Hi from a lurker... In-Reply-To: <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On 18 Jul 00, at 22:56, JAlex N wrote: > > >From: "Adam Mulvey" > >Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:39:53 GMT0BST > > > >It's like Kenny's line - "We've all been following this dopey love > >story since page one." He's talking about him, them and us all at > > /me taking a step outside of lurkdom for a second =)) > /me has been reading the backlog of e'mails (check the date of the above > post hehe) - and reading some recent ones as well... > > I'm sure it's been covered countless of times - but wasn't it Tidler who > mentioned the above quote in the 2nd or 3rd last episode of the 2nd season? Tiddler, yes, but IIRC in the last ep of the 2nd season - The Big Finish. Hope that helps. David. This week I have been mostly re-reading: "Casino Royale" by Ian Fleming. http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 18 23:27:51 2000 From: david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk (David Brider) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:27:51 +0100 Subject: OT - Buffy Message-ID: Hmm...Okay, I'm not the world's biggest Buffy fan (never watched an entire episode, truth to tell) but just spotted this in someone's sig and thought someone here might appreciate it: "There's nothing like the thwack of leather on Willow." Hmm... David. This week I have been mostly re-reading: "Casino Royale" by Ian Fleming. http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm From natacha_t at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 00:18:15 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Julia Sawalha and PG-AbFab-FaithInTheFuture Message-ID: <20000718231815.10414.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> --- JAlex N wrote: > > Hi, meeh again =)) I've jumped from reading 20 May > ish posts to more recent > ones and am enjoying reading the posts regarding JS > in Press Gang and Ab > Fab.. > > I've also enjoyed watching her in Faith In The > Future - a friend of mine had > taped the episodes when they were on FoxTel a few > years back... I had always > wondered on what happened with the season ending > where Faith and JS' > character (the character's name is on the tip of my > tongue..) went to France > and planned on marrying, then the following season > it's as if nothing had > happened - can someone explain? > > Unfortunately, my second tape of FITF hasn't > survived - the tape's gotten > "krinkly" (razor-like marks on the tape itself) and > I don't think I'll be > able to resuscitate (sp?) it =((( > > >-Miranda Richardson (need I say more?) > > Is MR the actress in THE SCOLD'S BRIDLE? Which > episode of Ab Fab was she in? > Who did she play? New Best Friend was the episode and she played Betina - one of Eddy's friends who's just had a baby - hillarious. > >-Paul Reynolds popping up in that one episode > > I've always thought it would've been great to see an > interaction between > Paul Reynolds and JS, but his character and Bubbles > were amusing in that > scene (little tho the part was) I suspect that Squeak and Saffy would have been similar to Bubble and Saffy. But I agree it would ahve been good to see more of him. Actully I think it was his friendship with Julia that got him the part ! Natacha > /me returning to the posts =)) > > TTYS, meeh. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 02:21:27 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:21:27 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Multimedia In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000718201704.00876c60@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <3974A0BF.28A4B668@geocities.com> <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719111726.01cbed40@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Steve, I am one of those people too lazy to click on a link. I'll explain why - I am too lazy. Not an exciting explanation, huh? No, seriously, the main reason is that I read through all the emails first and, since I am not enamoured with the world of FF, I tend not to bother searching through which email contained the link. That said, I have to call you a bastard with clever marketing skills. I read the chapter and then had the desire to go read the other three. Damn you Steve Darlington. Damn you for making me read FF and enjoy it...*mock growly voice* Obviously, what I am saying, in my standard long-winded gibberish way, is that I really got sucked into the story and am now waiting for the next installment. Well done. I am impressed. It read like a true episode, and I could see it happening in front of me with the characters. Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 02:32:22 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:32:22 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Digest mode In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719112936.01cb80e0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Murray, >PPS - Luke - I think it was you who asked, and maybe you've already >received an answer - Travis runs the PGML "demography list" these days - so >if you want to find out who's in your area, what the age distribution of >the list is, what kinds of kinky sex acts any members of the list get up >to*, etc, you could mail him and ask him very nicely to send you a copy. :-) >* I *may* have lied about that one. *** I have emailed Luke a copy of the June 2000 PGML-DL offlist. As for the kinky sex acts, I believe you are thinking of the other PGML-DL (Press Gang Mailing List Deviate Likings)...*grin* Or www.goatporn.com as Steve pointed out...*chuckle* Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 02:40:39 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:40:39 +1000 Subject: [OT] The History (?) of Goats In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719113304.01cb0300@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Murray, >I am also most disturbed to discover - having finally given in to the >temptation to try clicking the above address to see if it exists* - that it >does actually exist!!! Thankfully (?) it seems to just forward the >erstwhile caprinophile to a log-in page for some (it would seem) human >pornographic material. *** I do not know what to make of this, but I was told recently at a social gathering (oh, my first night out in several weeks!) that someone made up the URL www.goatporn.com some years back when writing an article for a newspaper about the flood of pornography online. Some reader leaped upon the domain name, given the free publicity for a site that did not exist at that time, registered it, and has been getting clicks every so often because the domain name gets brought up from time to time. Now, I have no way of verifying this tale, and it may be an urban legend. It may be that my friend is full of poo, as he so often is. However, if there is an article, I've never read it, nor have I ever seen any references to it. So far as I know, it was just a phrase I made up one day. Perhaps while skimming over a webpage one day I've seen it flitting by my eyes, not registered it with my brain at the time, and it's popped out of my mouth a few months later? Who knows? Anyway, that's apparently why www.goatporn.com exists. Whether it is true or not, I don't know. I have to admit there might be a grain of truth behind it - I mean, who would register that URL for human pornography? If you were a depraved person who really got turned on by goat pornography, you'd be quite disappointed to find only humans, I should imagine. I could try and bring this on-topic, but it seems wrong to incorporate any characters from PG in the same post as the suggested history of a pornography site...*laughing* Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 02:42:14 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:42:14 +1000 Subject: [OT] -ine In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000719023752.008a8460@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719114052.01d70a20@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Steve, >PS Murine - mouse. Ovine - sheep. *** Not that you've got anything wrong here, but I always liked the tagline : "To err is human; to moo bovine." Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 03:32:10 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:32:10 +1000 Subject: [OT] Listee Achieves Fame In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000719112936.01cb80e0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719123054.019eb150@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, Just thought you might like to know that one of the people on this list is officially a computer virus hoax...*grin* Trav. ----- Zlatko is coming!!! Acht! Can you read German?!? Well, the latest hoax virus appears to be propagating in Germany because the warning message I got was totally in German. The virus name is Zlatko.EXE, and according to the message (as best as I could make out) it will delete your hard drive, kill your pet hamster, etc. It's the usual Armageddon message, only in German. Anyway, there is no such virus called Zlatko.EXE. ----- From natacha_t at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 05:00:27 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [OT] The History (?) of Goats Message-ID: <20000719040027.6745.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> > Anyway, that's apparently why > www.goatporn.com exists. Whether it is > true or not, I don't know. I have to admit there > might be a grain of truth > behind it - I mean, who would register that URL for > human pornography? If you > were a depraved person who really got turned on by > goat pornography, you'd be > quite disappointed to find only humans, I should > imagine. > > I could try and bring this on-topic, but it > seems wrong to incorporate > any characters from PG in the same post as the > suggested history of a > pornography site...*laughing* > Colin might fit the bill, I mean that's about the only think he hasn't done. Natacha > Trav. > > ======================================= > PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen > Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be > > <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. 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Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 05:10:28 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:10:28 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] The History (?) of Goats In-Reply-To: <20000719040027.6745.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719140553.01cdb810@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Natacha, >Colin might fit the bill, I mean that's about the only >think he hasn't done. *** Obviously you have not read your Official PG Lurker's Guide (with foreword by Steven Moffat) well enough. There was an episode that did not go to air, set three episodes after the introduction of the computer to the JG office. Colin utilised Billy to access school records, and unearthed a folder of lewd images on the school mainframe. There was an investigation, which found a teacher to be the culprit, and despite fleeing the town once found out by the JG staff, he was ultimately caught by the police and brought to trial on it. Trav. (Disclaimer : this response entirely made up at will, as I went along, don't believe a word of it) ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From natacha_t at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 05:20:13 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] [OT] The History (?) of Goats Message-ID: <20000719042013.16232.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> --- Travis Cox wrote: > Natacha, > > >Colin might fit the bill, I mean that's about the > only > >think he hasn't done. > > *** Obviously you have not read your Official PG > Lurker's Guide (with > foreword by Steven Moffat) well enough. There was > an episode that did not go > to air, set three episodes after the introduction of > the computer to the JG > office. Colin utilised Billy to access school > records, and unearthed a folder > of lewd images on the school mainframe. There was > an investigation, which > found a teacher to be the culprit, and despite > fleeing the town once found out > by the JG staff, he was ultimately caught by the > police and brought to trial on > it. > > Trav. > > (Disclaimer : this response entirely made up at > will, as I went along, don't > believe a word of it) > Obviously - the real episode was when Colin himself set up a web page with manipulated pictures of Lynda Julie and Sam - everyone knows that :) natacha, also making things up : ) > > ======================================= > PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen > Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be > > <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. 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Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From muzza at pressgang.org Wed Jul 19 07:48:19 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:48:19 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] -ine In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000719114052.01d70a20@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000719023752.008a8460@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719142324.00d99510@mail.iinet.net.au> At 09:42 19/07/00, you wrote: >Steve, > >PS Murine - mouse. Ovine - sheep. >*** Not that you've got anything wrong here, but I always liked the >tagline >: "To err is human; to moo bovine." :-) Love that one Apologies for continued off-topicness, but while I have an audience to ask... Working in the biological sciences (though I don't do any animal work myself), a close friend and I have collected a lot of "-ines", but oddly enough (given the propensity for scientists to examine them) we have never had any luck figuring out the "-ine" for rats. Does anyone know?? Murray PS aquiline - eagle piscine - fish ovine - sheep feline - cat equine - horse canine - dog bovine - cow or ox porcine - pig lupine - wolf corvine - crow simian - ape or monkey murine - mouse caprine - goat avian - bird lapine - not sure ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From garethp at cwcom.net Wed Jul 19 09:47:04 2000 From: garethp at cwcom.net (garethp@cwcom.net) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:47:04 +0100 Subject: [Press Gang] The History (?) of Goats Message-ID: <39756b08.1f10.0@cwcom.net> Loathe as I am to drag the list further into dubiousness, this www.goatporn.com business was sufficiently well known to turn up in Monthy Python's Meaning of Life computer game. In the Material Wealth section, clicking on a neon sign produced a browser with a phoney goatporn page and Eric Idle in a loud voice saying, "Everybody, come and look at this computer! They're looking at Goat Porn the filthy b*stard. Maaaa, is that how you like 'em? Eh eh..." and so on. No mention is made as to whether the page was provided by CM Enterprises. Gareth Kenny: "Colin, I invented calm. I only pulse at weekends." From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Wed Jul 19 10:50:49 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:50:49 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] OT - Cricket Buffy Message-ID: I'm sorry, the 'snickometer' didn't detect that one. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Brider [SMTP:david at dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 10:28 PM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: [pressgang] OT - Buffy > > Hmm...Okay, I'm not the world's biggest Buffy fan (never watched > an entire episode, truth to tell) but just spotted this in someone's > sig and thought someone here might appreciate it: > > "There's nothing like the thwack of leather on Willow." > > Hmm... > > David. > This week I have been mostly re-reading: "Casino Royale" by Ian Fleming. > > http://www.dwjbrider.freeserve.co.uk/homepage.htm > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From calum.junk at btinternet.com Wed Jul 19 10:39:10 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:39:10 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] -ine In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719142324.00d99510@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <000601bff165$30cd1200$955e063e@calum> > -----Original Message----- > From: Murray Head [mailto:muzza at pressgang.org] > we have never had any luck figuring out the "-ine" for rats. Does anyone > know?? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there isn't one... the correct adjective is "rattish"... > lapine - not sure According to the OED (which goes straight from lapillo to lapis), there's no such word. But "hare" (Lat. lepus) springs to mind. Oh, and don't forget apian, ursine, passerine, taurine, vituline, viverine, cervine, elephantine, asinine, vulpine, ranine, musteline, serpentine, anserine, oscine, vespine, lemurine, lacertine, leonine, herpestine, soricine, zebrine etc.... Cheeri, Calum. ______________________________________________ CALUM BENSON, Hunky Exiled Scottish Bachelor mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~cbenson ICQ 18452714 From muzza at pressgang.org Wed Jul 19 10:37:12 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:37:12 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] OT - Cricket Buffy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719172712.00d6d510@mail.iinet.net.au> Carmeene wrote: >>"There's nothing like the thwack of leather on Willow." >I'm sorry, the 'snickometer' didn't detect that one. Well, you doubtless*(?) recognise the cricketing imagery of leather hitting willow (leather ball hitting willow-wood bat for US listees and others). Now switch that thought to Buffy. Take into account that the above phrase uses "Willow" with a capital "W" and that there is a character in Buffy with the name "Willow". Mix in a good snickers-worth of wink-wink-nudge-nudge leather fetishism/S&M, and you have a phrase which should cause your 'snickometer' to at least register "wry smile". Otherwise maybe you should check with the manufacturer - you didn't buy it from CM enterprises, did you?? :-) Murray * I say doubtless because Carmeene is posting with a .uk address, and because even though I always found cricket incredibly dull, I recognised the phrase. ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From prydonia at accn.org Wed Jul 19 10:51:38 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:51:38 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <003a01bff166$f6583f80$888b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 19, 2000 Here's hoping my chief editor and my very significant other are both feeling better soon. Frazz: I've got it! All twelve star signs. What's yours, Lynda? Lynda: Hemoglobin. Frazz: Hemo… Hemoglobin? Kenny: Have you got Tarmac? Frazz: Tarmac? Sarah: How about Zinc? Julie: Or Helium? Danny: How about Carbohydrate? Frazz: Mmm… (He walks away in deep thought. ) Lynda: We shouldn't have done that. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Wed Jul 19 12:04:40 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:04:40 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] OT - Cricket Willow Message-ID: Sorry, "I was being ironic". The snickometer is apparently a Channel 4 invention so I had to put my 2? in. Well, since (due to this List) I have started watching Buffy, I get the joke. Now I am annoyingly into it because I want to find out what happens with Buffy and Angel and what puts Willow off 'Xander etc. I hate that. Did you see the one where, in an alternate universe, Willow was a vampire? He-e-llo! Ding-dong!! Anyway... Cameene - note the spelling. > -----Original Message----- > From: Murray Head [SMTP:muzza at pressgang.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:37 AM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: RE: [pressgang] OT - Cricket Buffy > > Cameene wrote: > >>"There's nothing like the thwack of leather on Willow." > >I'm sorry, the 'snickometer' didn't detect that one. > > Well, you doubtless*(?) recognise the cricketing imagery of leather > hitting > willow (leather ball hitting willow-wood bat for US listees and others). > Now switch that thought to Buffy. > Take into account that the above phrase uses "Willow" with a capital "W" > and that there is a character in Buffy with the name "Willow". > Mix in a good snickers-worth of wink-wink-nudge-nudge leather > fetishism/S&M, and you have a phrase which should cause your 'snickometer' > > to at least register "wry smile". Otherwise maybe you should check with > the manufacturer - you didn't buy it from CM enterprises, did you?? :-) > > Murray > > > * I say doubtless because Cameene is posting with a .uk address, and > because even though I always found cricket incredibly dull, I recognised > the phrase. > ________________________________________ > "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". > - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. > muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ > Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Wed Jul 19 12:05:49 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:05:49 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day Message-ID: And later... Frazz:: Kenny, I've got 'Tarmac' Kenny! Larf!! Cameene > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Nauta [SMTP:prydonia at accn.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:52 AM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day > > QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 19, 2000 > > Here's hoping my chief editor and my very significant other are both > feeling > better soon. > > Frazz: I've got it! All twelve star signs. What's yours, Lynda? > Lynda: Hemoglobin. > Frazz: Hemo... Hemoglobin? > Kenny: Have you got Tarmac? > Frazz: Tarmac? > Sarah: How about Zinc? > Julie: Or Helium? > Danny: How about Carbohydrate? > Frazz: Mmm... (He walks away in deep thought. ) > Lynda: We shouldn't have done that. > > > "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the > ordinary." > Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 12:28:03 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:28:03 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] -ine In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719142324.00d99510@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <4.1.20000719114052.01d70a20@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> <3.0.5.32.20000719023752.008a8460@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719212713.01ff3d70@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Murray, >lapine - not sure *** According to www.dictionary.com, lapine = lapine, AL Zip code(s): 36046 Trav, being non-helpful as ever. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From jordang at bit.net.au Wed Jul 19 12:39:52 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:39:52 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Doomed (Warning! Spoilers galore!) References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au><3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com><003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion><3.0.5.32.20000718204536.00897c50@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3.0.5.32.20000719023452.008a4100@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <005e01bff176$0eab3740$472bd7d2@pavilion> > The point of Day Dreams is it takes Lynda to the very edge of her fears. > The warning from Spike's mother gives her (and us) a clear escape route, > complete and utter verification that things are doomed and her idea of > flight is the best idea. She's going to run. Then a guardian angel shows > her what would happen if she did, if she made that choice with no going > back, to lose him forever. And she learns that if it is forever, she can't > do it. She knows what she has to do. > You know what? I should have known better then to get into a discussion with *Steve*, of all people, about 'Day Dreams'! I mean, he's like a specialist in the area!!! ;-) > Will she ever really complete things? I doubt it. Spike will always be > playing catch-up, he will always love her more than she loves him. Still, > I think they can make something work and be happy even so. But then, I > have an idea of a softer Lynda post-TAC than some, as is evident in my > fiction. I just can't stand to write for her as bitchy as Moffat does, > because it hurts Spike (and others) too much! Though could I take this opportunity to praise you for your dialogue efforts in general in that bit of fan fic you sent to the list - it absolutely lept off the page for me. I could just hear those characters speaking like that. Well done! Richard -- Lynda: What's your lucky number? Spike: What? Lynda: Your lucky number - do you have one? Spike: No - do you? Lynda: 2345. Spike: Popular choice... Lynda: When Kenny and I were little we decided that we should have lucky numbers, but we got kind of competitive. It's a good thing he moved to Australia when he did. From jordang at bit.net.au Wed Jul 19 12:48:11 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:48:11 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] You get 'Doomed' AND' -ine' for the price of one! References: <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au><3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com><003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion><3.0.5.32.20000718204536.00897c50@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220139.00bbd3a0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <006b01bff177$37b256e0$472bd7d2@pavilion> OK, I had to posts that I wanted to respond to with only one line, so instead of clogging up the list with separate posts, I'm throwing them both in together this fine weather... >>Richard wrote: > >SPOILER SPACE! > > Good on you for notifying about spoilers, Richard, but I think that it's a > good idea to say what your post contains spoiler *of*. eg in this case > "Spoilers:season 5". > > Murray It has been noted.... :-) > *** Not that you've got anything wrong here, but I always liked the tagline > : > > "To err is human; to moo bovine." > > Trav. Absolutely loved this, Trav! Tee hee hee! See people? I *do* care about list clogging, and I'm even now mending my ways! Richard, personally nominating himself for PGML Listee Of The Month... ;op -- Lynda: If it's any consolation, we had a lousy time... Julie: WHAT??!!! Lynda: I had a gap in my schedule - was I supposed to say no? From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 19 12:50:14 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:50:14 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [OT] -ine In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719142324.00d99510@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <4.1.20000719114052.01d70a20@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> <3.0.5.32.20000719023752.008a8460@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000719000119.00b35ae0@mail.iinet.net.au> <3.0.5.32.20000719014610.008a0100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000718220540.00bc0460@mail.iinet.net.au> <003f01bff0c0$5d31e000$722bd7d2@pavilion> <20000718125645.9163.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.1.20000719213709.01fedbb0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Murray, Adding to your list... * asinine - idiot * nine - one more than eight * wine - delightful * whine - not so delightful * strine - ozspeak * la pine - chain of funeral homes * mine (1) - not yours * mine (2) - bloody big hole in the ground * sine - a mathematical thing with waves * seine - a french thing with waves * microcrystalline - itty bitty cute bits of stuff * nanny fine - a painful experience for human ears * acetylphenylhydrazine - equal longest word I could find ending in -ine * aminoacetophenetidine - see above * pentamethylenediamine - see above Trav, who might post more than Richard but ensures all his posts are constructed and sent with 100% recycled electrons. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From head_overheels at hotmail.com Wed Jul 19 14:38:35 2000 From: head_overheels at hotmail.com (Katarina Hjärpe) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:38:35 CEST Subject: [pressgang] Theories about A Quarter to Midnight Message-ID: Okay, my POV on this subject: > > At the Brissie meeting the other night, as we sat > > watching 'Something > > Terrible' someone pointed out that already it was > > Spike who was being the > > more affectionate of the two - that they were doomed > > from the start. #1 There will *always* be someone more affectionate in a relationship. That doesn't mean that the relationship is doomed. There are many levels of love. Spike is more willing to get involved than Lynda is, granted, and he might be the one throwing most work into the relationship, but emotional equality is rare, and not necessary even to become fairly happy (which I doubt they will ever be). This > > would seem to justify the many cliffhanger endings > > in the show - from 'The > > Big Finish?' to 'There Are Crocodiles' - in that > > there is no certainty in > > their relationship - the type of certainty Lynda > > yearns for in 'Day > > Dreams' - and there never can be; simply because > > they have two separate > > destinies - apart from each other. #2 Okay, so I don't believe in destinies. I do believe we are apt to react in certain patterns, though, and I have long since assumed that unless something drastically changes, Spike and Lynda will just go on as they started: They will try to live together and fail, then try to live apart and fail. I don't think they have it in them to be happy together, but I don't believe they could ever have what they have with someone else, either. Therapy might help, but I doubt it. To quote another show: "You'll be in love 'til it kills you both." Parallels could > > be drawn between Kenny > > and the Dublin girl, or even Colin and Judy/Julie I > > suppose. No > > relationship in Press Gang has any certainty about > > it, and all of the other > > romances surrounding Spike and Lynda - including, as > > pointed out in 'Day > > Dreams' Spike's parents - have ammounted to > > heartbreak, or simply nothing at > > all. #3 Spike's parents aside - these are teenagers we're talking about. How many teenagers do you know who "lived happily ever after"? Dating, getting together and breaking up is the way things work that age. Spike and Lynda are different because in their case, the breakups never work. They're attached by rubber bands or something... So why should Spike and Lynda be any > > different? Aren't all these > > other failed 'sub-plot relationships' simply > > indicators pointing towards the > > ultimate doomed relationship of the series? > > > > I've kind of rambled here but I hope you see my > > point. > > > > I hope I'm not just treading old ground here. What > > do other people think? > > > > Richard Okay, that's my side of the story... Katta ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Wed Jul 19 13:47:56 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:47:56 +1000 Subject: [ot] The meaning of lapine In-Reply-To: <000601bff165$30cd1200$955e063e@calum> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000719142324.00d99510@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719224756.0087fae0@mail.futureweb.com.au> BUNNIES! Lapine means bunnies! Go and read Watership Down right now, all of you. Go on! Cheers, Steve PS I always preferred this one (it's one of my mottos): To err is human, to forgive, canine. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Wed Jul 19 13:56:14 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:56:14 +1000 Subject: PLEASE FORGIVE THIS BUFFY-NESS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719225614.00880eb0@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 11:04 19/07/00 -0000, you wrote: >Sorry, "I was being ironic". The snickometer is apparently a Channel 4 >invention so I had to put my 2? in. >Well, since (due to this List) I have started watching Buffy, I get the >joke. Now I am annoyingly into it because I want to find out what happens >with Buffy and Angel and what puts Willow off 'Xander etc. I hate that. Anyone needing to know absolutely anything at all about Buffy can ask me. Hell, there's precious little I enjoy more than explaining to people the plot of Buffy - I recently introduced a friend to the show and told him the entire first three series - just highlights though. Only took a few hours. But if you are interested, please please please do it OFF LIST. No more Buffy talk on list! Das ist verboten! NEIN NEIN NEIN!! (except for this mail, obviously). >Did you see the one where, in an alternate universe, Willow was a vampire? >He-e-llo! Ding-dong!! Indeed, this is where the leather joke comes from - Willow is quite the leather vixen as a vamp. Anya: Do you want to get back to your universe? Evil Willow: Oh yes. In my universe there are people in chains and we ride them like ponies. Cheers, Steve Kenny: Do you think you could skip today's murder and do two tomorrow? From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Wed Jul 19 14:32:09 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:32:09 +1000 Subject: the first one is free In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000719111726.01cbed40@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000718201704.00876c60@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3974A0BF.28A4B668@geocities.com> <3.0.5.32.20000717103914.0087b100@mail.futureweb.com.au> <3973ADAD.652F432@geocities.com> <003c01bfeff5$764ac1e0$4d2bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000719233209.00888700@mail.futureweb.com.au> Many, many, MANY thanks to Trav and Richard for kind words about the fiction. I'm very pleased I was able to get Trav, the non-FF-fan. And I'm pleased both of you felt that I hit the mark right on. You realise you're basically validating my entire existence here...so thanks. :) But we stil haven't answered the question of whether I can post them to the list or not. Nobody's complained though, so I may post the next one here as well - when I finish it. But I'll refrain from posting the first three parts - you can look those up yourself. OK? That URL again http://geocities.com/catstesha/return2.html One click, and you're there. Cheers, Steve From natacha_t at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 00:15:21 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] OT - Cricket Buffy Message-ID: <20000719231521.12681.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> --- Murray Head wrote: > Carmeene wrote: > >>"There's nothing like the thwack of leather on > Willow." > >I'm sorry, the 'snickometer' didn't detect that > one. > > Well, you doubtless*(?) recognise the cricketing > imagery of leather hitting > willow (leather ball hitting willow-wood bat for US > listees and others). > Now switch that thought to Buffy. > Take into account that the above phrase uses > "Willow" with a capital "W" > and that there is a character in Buffy with the name > "Willow". > Mix in a good snickers-worth of > wink-wink-nudge-nudge leather > fetishism/S&M, and you have a phrase which should > cause your 'snickometer' > to at least register "wry smile". Otherwise maybe > you should check with > the manufacturer - you didn't buy it from CM > enterprises, did you?? :-) > > Murray > > > * I say doubtless because Carmeene is posting with a > .uk address, and > because even though I always found cricket > incredibly dull, I recognised > the phrase. > ________________________________________ > "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". > - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the > Soul. > muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< > http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ > Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology > http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From natacha_t at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 00:31:39 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] OT - Cricket Buffy Message-ID: <20000719233139.6769.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry I pressed the wrong button. Well I guess I'd better write a reply now. > > >>"There's nothing like the thwack of leather on > > Willow." > > >I'm sorry, the 'snickometer' didn't detect that > > one. > > > > Well, you doubtless*(?) recognise the cricketing > > imagery of leather hitting > > willow (leather ball hitting willow-wood bat for > US > > listees and others). absolutely. Ok maybe not until you pointed it out but I did know their was something familiar about it. Natacha, a cricket fan until the recent scandals disolutioned her. > > Now switch that thought to Buffy. > > Take into account that the above phrase uses > > "Willow" with a capital "W" > > and that there is a character in Buffy with the > name > > "Willow". > > Mix in a good snickers-worth of > > wink-wink-nudge-nudge leather > > fetishism/S&M, and you have a phrase which should > > cause your 'snickometer' > > to at least register "wry smile". Otherwise maybe > > you should check with > > the manufacturer - you didn't buy it from CM > > enterprises, did you?? :-) > > > > Murray > > > > > > * I say doubtless because Carmeene is posting with > a > > .uk address, and > > because even though I always found cricket > > incredibly dull, I recognised > > the phrase. > > > > > ________________________________________ > > "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". > > - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the > > Soul. > > muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< > > http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ > > Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology > > http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail: > > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > > For additional commands e-mail: > > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > > the message author > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From prydonia at accn.org Thu Jul 20 02:32:50 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:32:50 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] Theories about A Quarter to Midnight Message-ID: <008001bff1ea$6cdc9560$a38b78d8@prydonia> -----Original Message----- From: Katarina Hjärpe >Okay, my POV on this subject: >#1 There will *always* be someone more affectionate in a relationship. That >doesn't mean that the relationship is doomed. There are many levels of love. >Spike is more willing to get involved than Lynda is, granted, and he might >be the one throwing most work into the relationship, but emotional equality >is rare, and not necessary even to become fairly happy (which I doubt they >will ever be). I guess my experience in life watching my sister's relationships and living through my own romantic pratfalls makes me tend to agree with Katta....to a point. I think if one person throws a disproportionate amount of effort into a relationship, it isn't usually a healthy situation. I'm not sure how consistantly the relationship between Spike and Lynda is disproportionally tilted towards Spike, either....part of the Lynda Day mystique where Spike is concerned is the unpredictability she has in rewarding Spike's affections. Clearly in Season 2, Lynda is not above pursuing Spike and pushing things along when she's ready and Spike isn't. (the corridor scene in BREAKFAST AT CZARS, and the kisses in WEEK & PIZZA and AT LAST A DRAGON). Ditto the watch scene in HEAD & HEART. Spike puts up with a lot, in part because he knows when he is rewarded, it can be a very handsome gift indeed. > >#2 Okay, so I don't believe in destinies. I do believe we are apt to react >in certain patterns, though, and I have long since assumed that unless >something drastically changes, Spike and Lynda will just go on as they >started: They will try to live together and fail, then try to live apart and >fail. I don't think they have it in them to be happy together, but I don't >believe they could ever have what they have with someone else, either. >Therapy might help, but I doubt it. To quote another show: "You'll be in >love 'til it kills you both." Ah, a cynic. My grandparents used to argue all the time, but they were in love until my grandfather died and my grandmother misses him a lot even after a decade apart. Some people just thrive on the creative conflict differing personalities bring to the table. I think Spike and Lynda are that way....they bring out the best in each other, even if they might agree on something once in a blue moon. That's the way I've chosen to write them....but that's my opinion. > >#3 Spike's parents aside - these are teenagers we're talking about. How many >teenagers do you know who "lived happily ever after"? Dating, getting >together and breaking up is the way things work that age. Spike and Lynda >are different because in their case, the breakups never work. They're >attached by rubber bands or something... It is the exception, but I know at least three high school sweetheart couples that are now happily married and have been for a good while. I suppose I could say something about Melissa, but I was her third boyfriend, so I guess that still proves Katta's point. Both of us are very much looking forward to the third time being the charm in her case. Kevin, making a rare foray into theoretical grounds..... From hopalong_pxp at lycos.com Thu Jul 20 05:28:25 2000 From: hopalong_pxp at lycos.com (Allison K East) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:28:25 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] PLEASE FORGIVE THIS BUFFY-NESS Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:56:14 Steve Darlington wrote: > But if you are interested, please please please do it OFF LIST. No more >Buffy talk on list! Das ist verboten! NEIN NEIN NEIN!! > >(except for this mail, obviously). Sorry, Steve, but I had to make this one message tht I have been meaning to make for a month. If anyone is wanting to go to fsf's James Masters "Spike" convention, May 2001. Please get your tickets now. I know the people running the con and they had to book two days because the first day sold out within a month of the announcement (and that was a year until the con). There are about 100 - 150 tickets left to the second day, so... The only reason I'm posting this to the list is that someone (JAlexN?) mentioned that they wanted to wait until the date was closer to get a ticket, and Rob Brown (one of fsf's committee members) advised against it. Like I said, It's taken me a month to member to do this post. Shame on me. For more info, goto: http://fsf.com.au Once again, I am sorry that this is sooo OT. Alli --- "I believe in Karma, what you give is what you get returned." Savage Garden, Affirmation Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications - http://comm.lycos.com From natacha_t at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 06:40:48 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Theories about A Quarter to Midnight Message-ID: <20000720054048.18535.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> > >Okay, my POV on this subject: > >#1 There will *always* be someone more affectionate > in a relationship. That > >doesn't mean that the relationship is doomed. There > are many levels of > love. > >Spike is more willing to get involved than Lynda > is, granted, and he might > >be the one throwing most work into the > relationship, but emotional equality > >is rare, and not necessary even to become fairly > happy (which I doubt they > >will ever be). > > I guess my experience in life watching my sister's > relationships and living > through my own romantic pratfalls makes me tend to > agree with Katta....to a > point. I think if one person throws a > disproportionate amount of effort > into a relationship, it isn't usually a healthy > situation. I'm not sure > how consistantly the relationship between Spike and > Lynda is > disproportionally tilted towards Spike, > either....part of the Lynda Day > mystique where Spike is concerned is the > unpredictability she has in > rewarding Spike's affections. Clearly in Season 2, > Lynda is not above > pursuing Spike and pushing things along when she's > ready and Spike isn't. > (the corridor scene in BREAKFAST AT CZARS, and the > kisses in WEEK & PIZZA > and AT LAST A DRAGON). Ditto the watch scene in > HEAD & HEART. Spike > puts up with a lot, in part because he knows when he > is rewarded, it can be > a very handsome gift indeed. I deffinalty agree on this one Lynda certainly does her fair share of chasing. Lynda likes competition so in some ways Spike was more attractive in series 3 & 4 when she had to fight for him. > >#2 Okay, so I don't believe in destinies. I do > believe we are apt to react > >in certain patterns, though, and I have long since > assumed that unless > >something drastically changes, Spike and Lynda will > just go on as they > >started: They will try to live together and fail, > then try to live apart > and > >fail. I don't think they have it in them to be > happy together, but I don't > >believe they could ever have what they have with > someone else, either. > >Therapy might help, but I doubt it. To quote > another show: "You'll be in > >love 'til it kills you both." > > Ah, a cynic. My grandparents used to argue all > the time, but they were in > love until my grandfather died and my grandmother > misses him a lot even > after a decade apart. My parents are the same. > > > >#3 Spike's parents aside - these are teenagers > we're talking about. How > many > >teenagers do you know who "lived happily ever > after"? Dating, getting > >together and breaking up is the way things work > that age. Spike and Lynda > >are different because in their case, the breakups > never work. They're > >attached by rubber bands or something... Actully I think you'll find the rubber bands only exist becuase its TV land in the real world I don't think they would keep getting back together. I'm not sayign that their wrong for each other or that their relationship is doomed - just that they are both way too young to be having that intense and serious a relationship. natacha > > It is the exception, but I know at least three high > school sweetheart > couples that are now happily married and have been > for a good while. I > suppose I could say something about Melissa, but I > was her third boyfriend, > so I guess that still proves Katta's point. Both > of us are very much > looking forward to the third time being the charm in > her case. > > > Kevin, making a rare foray into theoretical > grounds..... > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From calum.junk at btinternet.com Thu Jul 20 13:03:34 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:03:34 +0100 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] The meaning of lapine In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000719224756.0087fae0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <002e01bff242$87c10340$955e063e@calum> > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Darlington [mailto:sdarling at futureweb.com.au] > BUNNIES! Lapine means bunnies! Is that not just what I said? (Well no, okay, I said "hares", but rabbits are members of the hare family...) Regardless, there's still no such word as "lapine" according to the Oxford English Dictionary, and it tends to know these things... Cheeri, Calum. --- Calum Benson, Sex on a Stick mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.cbenson.btinternet.co.uk ICQ 18452714 From rhunter at ecn.net.au Thu Jul 20 14:53:10 2000 From: rhunter at ecn.net.au (Rebecca Hunter) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:53:10 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Murder Most Horrid Message-ID: <002a01bff251$d7c13720$0119fea9@rhunter> Have been away so not sure if this has been mentioned but just wanted to let Australian Foxtel people know that the Dexter (isn't it Moffat too?) episode of Murder Most Horrid is on this Sunday night. Enjoyed your FF (what's with all of these acronyms? so confusing) muchly Steve. Ah, the suspense. Bec. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Thu Jul 20 15:47:39 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:47:39 +1000 Subject: Spike's Rewards In-Reply-To: <008001bff1ea$6cdc9560$a38b78d8@prydonia> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000721004739.0088f3d0@mail.futureweb.com.au> >I guess my experience in life watching my sister's relationships and living >through my own romantic pratfalls makes me tend to agree with Katta....to a >point. I think if one person throws a disproportionate amount of effort >into a relationship, it isn't usually a healthy situation. Things are always disproportionate, but some things are more disproportionate than others. There is an unhealthy level, but not every disproportion crosses that. I'm not sure >how consistantly the relationship between Spike and Lynda is >disproportionally tilted towards Spike, either....part of the Lynda Day >mystique where Spike is concerned is the unpredictability she has in >rewarding Spike's affections. Clearly in Season 2, Lynda is not above >pursuing Spike and pushing things along when she's ready and Spike isn't. >(the corridor scene in BREAKFAST AT CZARS, and the kisses in WEEK & PIZZA >and AT LAST A DRAGON). Ditto the watch scene in HEAD & HEART. Spike >puts up with a lot, in part because he knows when he is rewarded, it can be >a very handsome gift indeed. Totally got to take issue with this though. Lynda is certainly a chaser and is certainly attracted to Spike. But chasing is not the same as working on their relationship. It's petty and lightweight. Nor does she ever push anything further than Spike is ready - he's always miles ahead of her. He spends an entire series making passes at Lynda (and being the best friend she ever had) before she finally, grudgingly. backs down for half a second in BAC. That's not a reward, that's an freaking insult. She kisses him in W&P not to take things further but to screw Spike over for her own petty reasons - another insult. Sure, occasionally Lynda gives affection back - after Spike pours out a river of love, she gives out a droplet, and makes sure she does it in a way which keeps herself the most safe. And if she can use it to manipulate him, all the better. Things are made worse by the magnifying glass Spike uses. She calls his name and he runs laps around the newsroom. So while in Spike's eyes getting a kiss is a great reward, it is not a balanced reward, emotionally. He's a junkie so he blows everything out of proportion and she knows that and uses it against him. Perhaps the ONLY time in the entire show Spike gets anything close to what he deserves from Lynda for what he does for her is At Last A Dragon. He's your classic chilvaric knight, really. He risks everything he has, everything he is, including her love, riding off and slaying dragons left right and centre but for one tiny glance of affection. Anyone here know the famous Goethe poem "The Glove"? Reminds me very much of Spike and Lynda. Basically, dude and his lady are getting down at the colliseum with the lions and the tigers. Lady friend drops her glove in the ring and says "if you really love me, you'll get that". Hero-boy leaps in, kicks some lion ass, gets glove, hops out and says "here you are, toots, now you can shove that up your ass cos I ain't down with bitches who treat me like shit" Then he goes off and gets himself a new chickybabe. I love that poem, and it's basically Holding On, you see. >It is the exception, but I know at least three high school sweetheart >couples that are now happily married and have been for a good while. Robert Smith of the Cure married his childhood sweetheart at 18 or something. He's now 40 and still happily married. So there's one example. Cheers, Steve From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Thu Jul 20 15:51:02 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:51:02 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] The meaning of lapine In-Reply-To: <002e01bff242$87c10340$955e063e@calum> References: <3.0.5.32.20000719224756.0087fae0@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000721005102.00883d50@mail.futureweb.com.au> >Is that not just what I said? (Well no, okay, I said "hares", but rabbits >are members of the hare family...) You did, but hesitantly and without conviction so I wanted to clear things up. And you didn't say bunnies, which is one of the funniest words ever. >Regardless, there's still no such word as "lapine" according to the Oxford >English Dictionary, and it tends to know these things... Also well aware of this fact, and never known why. I am going to write to the OzWords people (makers of the Aus OED and organisers of the Australian Dictionary Society of which I am a member) and ask them. Cheerybye, Steve From prydonia at accn.org Thu Jul 20 22:28:37 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:28:37 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <002b01bff291$7b6bb820$c08b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 20, 2000 Who says Lynda can't be a caring, affectionate person? *g* Lynda: Spike, darling! You didn't tell me you were coming here tonight! Spike: What? Lynda: Are these all your friends? I've heard so much about you. Andy: Well I ain’t heard a thing about you, love. Lynda: He hasn't mentioned me? Oh we go to the same dance class together don't we, darling? Andy: Dance class? Lynda: He didn't mention that either? Oh you're so modest! You know, I think Spike's got a serious future in ballet. Spike: Ballet?! Lynda: But you're more interested in your poetry aren't you, sweetheart? Spike: Look, she's lying. I don't do poetry and I don't do ballet. Lynda: Oh Spike! Next you'll be denying you're on the Junior Gazette! Spike: They already know that I work at the Junior Gazette. Andy: Yeah, but you did deny it before, didn't you? Lynda: Can I just read you a poem he wrote me for my birthday? Spike: No, I don't think you can! (He drags Lynda away.) Lynda: He's so impulsive! "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From natacha_t at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 00:33:19 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Spike's Rewards Message-ID: <20000720233319.22813.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> > Things are made worse by the magnifying glass Spike > uses. She calls his > name and he runs laps around the newsroom. So while > in Spike's eyes > getting a kiss is a great reward, it is not a > balanced reward, emotionally. > He's a junkie so he blows everything out of > proportion and she knows that > and uses it against him. I'd take issue with this. Sure we don't see a lot of what Spike gets out of the relationship but their are quite a few hints that its not all bad. Lynda is clearly prepared to dress up as any one of his fantesy's - blue coller,nurses uniform. Their must be something that he keeps comming back for - and there is they both are very competative. Although Spike rarely admits it he generally likes the games he and Lynda play. Sure he'll date the obvious (eg Charlott) but what really attracts him is the chase and the fight (eg Lynda). Natacha > Cheers, > Steve > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From natacha_t at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 07:12:32 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Quote of the Day Message-ID: <20000721061232.26619.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> is it jsut me or is this a really really quite day on the list ? Natacha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From prydonia at accn.org Fri Jul 21 11:01:11 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:01:11 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <001201bff2fa$9cfdfca0$328b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 21, 2000 Lynda: We will apologize for any error in the article--should there be one. Amanda Swanson: Then I expect to read an apology in your next edition--should there be one. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From jordang at bit.net.au Sat Jul 22 09:31:57 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:31:57 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Moronic References: <002a01bff251$d7c13720$0119fea9@rhunter> Message-ID: <005501bff3b7$4d9469c0$c12bd7d2@pavilion> That's right! It's another PG song! After Natacha's comments about the quietness of this list, I thought "what better way to get things going again then to write another song." And then I thought stuff that I'll go and watch TV. The end.....KIDDING! OK, here it is...try to miss me when you hurl your ashtrays... (To the tune of Alanis Morisette's "Ironic", quite obviously...) MORONIC Hey yey yey...yeh a ha hey yey yey... An old man died on a whim But no-one told Colin Who'd arranged to meet him So up he showed at the wake, unaware As a bunny-gram - the guests just stared And isn't he Moronic Don't you think? It's like when He started marketing 'Pings' Or the time He made Kenny sing Or how about those damn exam kits And who could forget The Stroke-Matics?... Always making dough With some hair-brained scheme When he knows that he'll make money Watch those beady eyes gleam He only gave his heart once To a two-timing flirt And he's quite well-known For his daggy shirts And isn't he Moronic Don't you think? It's like when He swapped Football sides Or the time he bought Some teddybear knives It's the way he sold Expired food to the school store And who could forget His escape door?... Colin had a funny way Of being oblivious to everything When everything went wrong Caught up in his own world Even when 'The Gaz' seemed to be going under He jumped the boat and said 'So Long'.... Only once Did he ever think twice 'bout who he was And made a small sacrafice To a girl who idolised His every move He tried to help her out And it worked, too But he's still Moronic Don't you think? 'Cause he never changed a bit And yeah I really do think It's like when He set fire to himself Or the time he Jeopardised Gazette wealth It's the time he thought That he was marked for death And who could forget The rest?... Colin had a funny way Of making us laugh and (Oh he had a funny, funny way) Of making Press Gang So damn brilliant... From prydonia at accn.org Sat Jul 22 10:07:58 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 05:07:58 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <001101bff3bc$594a3560$b38b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 22, 2000 Frazz: Lynda! I've had a thought. Lynda: Lie down. It will go away. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 23 03:13:24 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:13:24 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Spike's Rewards In-Reply-To: <20000720233319.22813.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000723121324.008883a0@mail.futureweb.com.au> > >I'd take issue with this. Sure we don't see a lot of >what Spike gets out of the relationship but their are >quite a few hints that its not all bad. Lynda is >clearly prepared to dress up as any one of his >fantesy's - blue coller,nurses uniform. Their must be >something that he keeps comming back for - and there >is they both are very competative. Although Spike >rarely admits it he generally likes the games he and >Lynda play. Sure he'll date the obvious (eg Charlott) >but what really attracts him is the chase and the >fight (eg Lynda). Fair point, I'd forgotten this. He does get off on the chase and she does return affection in various ways. But I still think it is, ultimately, one-sided when it comes to actually caring for each other enough to work on their relationship. As soon as the going gets tough in this regard, Lynda goes shopping. Cheers, Steve ----------------- "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I don't sleep on a bed of bones" BtVS ----------------- From jalexn_ml at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 21:35:11 2000 From: jalexn_ml at hotmail.com (JAlex N) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:35:11 EST Subject: [pressgang] That list of mine I mentioned Message-ID: I'm a bit behind with reading the PG list (have to change to digest one of these days =D) but saw your message below which interested meeh - is the list still active? Can I join? Meeh, jalexn. >From: Steve Darlington >Reply-To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >Subject: [pressgang] That list of mine I mentioned >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:53:05 +1000 > > >Erk. Well, thing is I sorted just started that list with a few friends of >mine, some on list, some off. It was just supposed to be a few Buffy fans >chinwagging and sharing our post-Buffy glee after each wicked episode - >plus also allow for glee from all the other shows we had in common - ER, >Wildside, Homicide etc. (this ain't just a Buffy list). It was a bit low >on posts so I thought I'd ask the list just casually. I didn't think I'd >get such a huge response. So um, I have to figure out if we add you all >and change the nature of the list a bit, or just allow some of you (like >say Aussies only to retard spoilage*), or close the sucker down, or what. >I also don't want to create a list too close to the PG list, otherwise >there will be contamination and cause too much Buffy/else leaking into PG >and vice versa. > >So um. I guess what I'm saying is that for now, I have to rescind my >invitation until I figure out what the hell I'm doing here. > >In the meantime, if you're desperate to gush about the fact that Buffy's >clock read 7.30 just like Faith said 7.30 in the dream in the climax of >series three, mail me off list. > >Cheers, >Steve > >*I've been waiting years to use that joke. > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jalexn_ml at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 23:11:21 2000 From: jalexn_ml at hotmail.com (JAlex N) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:11:21 EST Subject: [pressgang] CUT! Message-ID: Where did you get a copy of this? Any chance of mere mortal 95% lurkers such as myself getting a copy? Reading what you paraphrased below, I do wish they'd included them in the scenes - what's a few measly minutes here and there in a work of art? ;) =)) TTYL, jalexn. >From: "Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd." >Reply-To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >To: "Press Gang Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [pressgang] CUT! >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:09:42 +1000 > >Just flicking through the Programme Guide recently and thought I'd post >some >of my favourite lines cut from the final version of some episodes... > >Cut from 'Interface': >(Sarah tells Lynda that Mr Vader (from 'Page One') has just phoned >again...) >Sarah: Apparently the Imperial forces have gathered on the dark side of the >moon and kidnapped his dog. > >Cut from 'The Big Hello': > Colin (to Lynda): Do you think Kenny's still got the right stuff for us >now >that we've gone professional? I really love the guy but maybe it's time we >cut his cable brakes career-wise. > >Cut from 'The Last Word Part Two': >(When Frazz disarms Donald, Colin suggests they all go to Czars for lunch, >but Sarah reminds him that Czars got closed down.) >Spike: I suppose it was kind of bad of us to do an expose on his kitchen >hygene... > >Cut from 'Love and War': >(When Spike arrives at the newsroom, he phones Lynda but gets no reply. He >tries Julie...) >Spike: She's not here, she's not at home...am I supposed to believe she's >out socialising? >Julie: Stranger things have happened. I got a birthday card from her >once...on Sarah's birthday of course. > >Cut from 'Windfall': >Lynda (to Spike): I was playing on your insecurity for my own cruel >amusement and I promise never to do it again. > >Cut from 'There Are Crocodiles': >(Lynda asks Julie why the reporter is sitting in her chair). >Julie: He was cute - I didn't like to say no. >Lynda: Sometime we're going to get through a morning without you saying >that! > > >Tee hee! Why did they have to go and cut those classic lines? >(Well time restraints Richard, duh...) >Oh quiet you! I knew that! >(Yeah right!) >I did! >(Did not!) >Did too! >(Did not!) >Did too! > >*Richard will now stop talking to himself* > >Richard >(Did not!) >Sh! > >-- >Lynda: Could you shout at Graham for me? I'm busy. >Kenny: Any particular reason? >Lynda: Yeah but I forget. Better keep it general... > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jalexn_ml at hotmail.com Mon Jul 24 00:16:50 2000 From: jalexn_ml at hotmail.com (JAlex N) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:16:50 EST Subject: Murder Most Horrid - time? Message-ID: Hi, I've deleted the e'mail which helps *grin* but I read a post saying Murder Most Horrid was on today (Sunday). Did I get the day wrong? Was it last Sunday? Details of this show if it hasn't shown yet please! It's the episode which will have Dexter Fletcher in it. Thanks, jalexn. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jalexn_ml at hotmail.com Mon Jul 24 00:19:58 2000 From: jalexn_ml at hotmail.com (JAlex N) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:19:58 EST Subject: Sydney get-together? Message-ID: Did anything ever happen with regards to a Press Gang get-together in Sydney? Later, jalexn (who's finished reading/skimming her backlog of PG e'mails =D) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jordang at bit.net.au Sun Jul 23 13:46:13 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:46:13 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] CUT! References: Message-ID: <003f01bff4a3$fdbc83e0$372bd7d2@pavilion> > > Where did you get a copy of this? Any chance of mere mortal 95% lurkers such > as myself getting a copy? > > Reading what you paraphrased below, I do wish they'd included them in the > scenes - what's a few measly minutes here and there in a work of art? ;) =)) > They all come from The Press Gang Programme Guide by Jim Sangster. Aparently he gained access to the original scripts and gained permission to publish the bits that were cut during the editing process. There were loads more in the guide, I just chose my favourites! ;-) If you'd like to purchase the Guide, you can do so by getting in contact with the book's publisher, David Waddell. I myself only purchased the book earlier this year, however he did say at the time that there were only a few copies left (it was first printed a few years ago and never went into a next edition for obvious reasons). But it's worth a shot! If you want to get in contact with him, his email address is david at waddell33.freeserve.co.uk From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 23 14:58:27 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:58:27 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] CUT! In-Reply-To: <003f01bff4a3$fdbc83e0$372bd7d2@pavilion> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000723235827.008afc50@mail.futureweb.com.au> >From memory it's only about 8 pounds, including postage and handling. It >took a few weeks to reach me (coming from England and all) but as many >listees would agree, it's worth the wait and the money. You better believe it. It's worth setting your pants on fire to get this book. Go for it. Cheers, Steve ----------------- "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I don't sleep on a bed of bones." BtVS ----------------- From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Sun Jul 23 15:02:11 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:02:11 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Murder Most Horrid - time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000724000211.008b0540@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 06:16 23/07/00 EST, you wrote: > >Hi, I've deleted the e'mail which helps *grin* but I read a post saying >Murder Most Horrid was on today (Sunday). Did I get the day wrong? Was it >last Sunday? Details of this show if it hasn't shown yet please! > >It's the episode which will have Dexter Fletcher in it. Don't forget it's FOXTEL. I missed that too and was waiting for it. It's a supoib episode. BTW, for lovers of good TV, The Newsroom has snuck back on SBS at 12 midnight Saturday night/Sunday morning. Not just a TV show, but one of the great works of art of the twentieth century - unmissable. Also, Buffy is bouncing back to the second series (hooray!) now and if you tune in tomorrow night, you'll see one of my fave eps ever - Inca Mummy Girl. Like anyone cares. Well, I guess since I need to say these sort of things, I better build that list up then. Sometime this week, I promise. Cheerybye, Steve ----------------- "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I don't sleep on a bed of bones." BtVS ----------------- From prydonia at accn.org Sun Jul 23 17:37:32 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:37:32 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <000301bff4c4$51e51c00$9c8b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 23, 2000 Spike: I didn't know they could arrest you for being a lousy editor. Kenny: She's not lousy. Spike: Have you told her about the way you feel? "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From m.bickford at student.murdoch.edu.au Sun Jul 23 17:59:52 2000 From: m.bickford at student.murdoch.edu.au (Mel Bickford) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:59:52 +0800 (WST) Subject: [pressgang] How's this for a PG moment? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.20000724010124.3e47261a@student.murdoch.edu.au> About a week ago I received a phone call from my Mum who lives in Sydney. She had just received a call from her sister in Broome, who had just received a call from (bare with me on the phone calls, 'k?) a woman on behalf of her brother-in-law who had been looking for his birth-mother. To cut a long story short, turns out I have an Uncle Brian. My grandmother apparently gave up her son for adoption 4 years before my mother was born in 1950 and told absolutely nobody about it. Not even her sister. Anyway, here's the PG'ish moment. We're fairly sure that the father was an American sailor whom she was seeing during the war. The end of the war came along (which, if you do the math, would have been right around the time dear old Unky Brian was conceived. Go Nan!) so he had to go home. A little while later, she received a telegram from him, but it was all garbled so she never knew what it said, and had no way of getting in touch with him. So that's it. Thought it was interesting. Mel _______________________________________________ "Listen pal, you can't waltz in here, use my toaster and start spouting universal truths without qualification." HH From lcbeckett at excite.com Sun Jul 23 20:50:02 2000 From: lcbeckett at excite.com (LC Beckett) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: :) Message-ID: <18492636.964381802178.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com> Okay. I'm new to the list and I have to get right to the point. Has anyone in the UK got any vids of the series? I used to own the last series (pride and joy) but a cruel twist of fate led to my brother recording "Die Hard" over them. Now no offence to Bruce's heroic antics (such unflinching bravery deserves the utmost respect) but this pissed me off beyond belief. Why they don't repeat them again I don't understand, especially as Julia Sawala, Dexter Fletcher and Lee Ross are doing so well. So pleeeeaaasee contact me if you have copies. If not then maybe we could beg C4 or whoever owns the rights nowadays to broadcast them... LCB. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From natacha_t at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 00:35:52 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Spike's Rewards Message-ID: <20000723233552.6448.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> --- Steve Darlington wrote: > > > >I'd take issue with this. Sure we don't see a lot > of > >what Spike gets out of the relationship but their > are > >quite a few hints that its not all bad. Lynda is > >clearly prepared to dress up as any one of his > >fantesy's - blue coller,nurses uniform. Their must > be > >something that he keeps comming back for - and > there > >is they both are very competative. Although Spike > >rarely admits it he generally likes the games he > and > >Lynda play. Sure he'll date the obvious (eg > Charlott) > >but what really attracts him is the chase and the > >fight (eg Lynda). > > Fair point, I'd forgotten this. He does get off on > the chase and she does > return affection in various ways. But I still think > it is, ultimately, > one-sided when it comes to actually caring for each > other enough to work on > their relationship. As soon as the going gets tough > in this regard, Lynda > goes shopping. Duh - so do 9 out of 10 women. Natacha > Cheers, > Steve > > > > ----------------- > "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be > a fireman when the > floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since > you moved out, and I > don't sleep on a bed of bones" > BtVS > ----------------- > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From s349740 at student.uq.edu.au Mon Jul 24 03:18:16 2000 From: s349740 at student.uq.edu.au (Bec) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:18:16 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] CUT! References: <3.0.5.32.20000723235827.008afc50@mail.futureweb.com.au> Message-ID: <003601bff515$70b212e0$f524a8c0@stjohn.uq.edu.au> Just thought I'd let you guys know that there is now actually a web site where you can get ordering instructions (I wrote to David after Richards last email). The address is www.leomac.co.uk for anyone else who is interested. Bec #2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Darlington To: Press Gang Mailing List Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [pressgang] CUT! > >From memory it's only about 8 pounds, including postage and handling. It > >took a few weeks to reach me (coming from England and all) but as many > >listees would agree, it's worth the wait and the money. > > You better believe it. It's worth setting your pants on fire to get this > book. Go for it. > > Cheers, > Steve > > ----------------- > "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the > floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I > don't sleep on a bed of bones." > BtVS > ----------------- > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > From hopalong_pxp at lycos.com Mon Jul 24 04:29:59 2000 From: hopalong_pxp at lycos.com (Allison K East) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:29:59 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Sydney get-together? Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:19:58 JAlex N wrote: >Did anything ever happen with regards to a Press Gang get-together in >Sydney? > >Later, jalexn (who's finished reading/skimming her backlog of PG e'mails =D) Not as far as I know, which is a shame. Alli --- "I believe in Karma, what you give is what you get returned." Savage Garden, Affirmation Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications - http://comm.lycos.com From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 24 05:06:57 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:06:57 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Sydney get-together? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20000724140418.009fbd00@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Alli, >>Did anything ever happen with regards to a Press Gang get-together in >>Sydney? >Not as far as I know, which is a shame. *** Something to be held in Sydney but something goes awry with the organisation of the event and it turns out to be a shambles? Where have I heard that before?...*grin* Trav, who cannot believe Channel Seven is devoting half an hour per day to coverage of a metal stick with fire coming out the top... ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000724/02897901/attachment.htm From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 24 05:09:25 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:09:25 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] CUT! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000723235827.008afc50@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <003f01bff4a3$fdbc83e0$372bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <4.1.20000724140858.01aba010@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Steve, >You better believe it. It's worth setting your pants on fire to get this >book. Go for it. *** You know, sometimes I worry about your enthusiasm for some things in life...*chuckle* Trav. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000724/d894ab15/attachment.htm From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Mon Jul 24 05:13:00 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:13:00 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Moronic In-Reply-To: <005501bff3b7$4d9469c0$c12bd7d2@pavilion> References: <002a01bff251$d7c13720$0119fea9@rhunter> Message-ID: <4.1.20000724140952.01aba830@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Richard, >(To the tune of Alanis Morisette's "Ironic", quite obviously...) *** Just to let you know someone out there read it and chuckled. I have not had time to do much in the way of thinking about this topic, certainly not enough time to sit down and make a whole song. One thing I will throw on the table though, in case anyone else wants to take a crack at it, would be a parody version of Prince's "Little Red Corvette", entitled "Junior Gazette". I've had that one line running through my head for a bit, but since I don't like the song too much, I could not be bothered going to find the lyrics and modifying them. Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000724/d941cfd0/attachment.htm From muzza at pressgang.org Mon Jul 24 07:16:56 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:16:56 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] CUT! In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000724140858.01aba010@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <3.0.5.32.20000723235827.008afc50@mail.futureweb.com.au> <003f01bff4a3$fdbc83e0$372bd7d2@pavilion> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000724135931.00c19a10@mail.iinet.net.au> Trav wrote: >Steve, > >You better believe it. It's worth setting your pants on fire to get this > >book. Go for it. >*** You know, sometimes I worry about your enthusiasm for some things >in life...*chuckle* Maybe he meant it's worth setting *his* pants on fire. :-) Me, I prefer my buns untoasted, and thus settled for sending a cheque. It *is* a fantastic book, though. I think someone mentioned that they thought Jim Sangster might have had access to the original scripts. From what I can tell, this is indeed the case. Certainly Steven Moffat and JimS are good friends, which is why Jim passed on news about SM's two (then) upcoming series a little while back (Coupling and Privates). Murray, concerned that Steve did not emphasise the fact that setting your pants on fire will not, in fact, result in you receiving the PGPG. That kind of loose talk could result in people getting hurt! Of course, Steve never actually specified whether the pants should be *worn* during this primal display... ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 24 08:55:11 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:55:11 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] How's this for a PG moment? References: <1.5.4.16.20000724010124.3e47261a@student.murdoch.edu.au> Message-ID: <002301bff544$80443c40$e52bd7d2@pavilion> > To cut a long story short, turns out I have an Uncle Brian. My grandmother > apparently gave up her son for adoption 4 years before my mother was born in > 1950 and told absolutely nobody about it. Not even her sister. > > Anyway, here's the PG'ish moment. Wow. I thought that *alone* was PGish enough! We're fairly sure that the father was an > American sailor whom she was seeing during the war. The end of the war came > along (which, if you do the math, would have been right around the time dear > old Unky Brian was conceived. Go Nan!) so he had to go home. A little while > later, she received a telegram from him, but it was all garbled so she never > knew what it said, and had no way of getting in touch with him. Sheesh, straight out of 'Chance is a fine thing' - how bizarre is that? When do you meet your new-found uncle? (And will he try to get you to scam some high security briefcases off some dodgy-name-sounding dude? ;-) ) Richard From jordang at bit.net.au Mon Jul 24 09:05:04 2000 From: jordang at bit.net.au (Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd.) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:05:04 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] Moronic References: <002a01bff251$d7c13720$0119fea9@rhunter> <4.1.20000724140952.01aba830@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <003f01bff545$e0d27260$e52bd7d2@pavilion> >Just to let you know someone out there read it and chuckled. Much appreciated! >I have not had time to do much in the way of thinking about this topic, certainly not enough time to sit down and make a whole song. *Richard cringes with embarrassment* "Look, I had a spare hour one day, OK? It's not like I just sit around making up PG songs all day, honestly!!" >One thing I will throw on the table though, in case anyone else wants to take a crack at >it, would be a parody version of Prince's "Little Red >Corvette", entitled "Junior Gazette". I've had that one line running through my head for a bit, but since I don't like the song too much, I could >not be bothered going to find the lyrics and modifying them. Very cool idea indeed, but alas, like you I'm not a fan of the song and could not be bothered tracking down the lyrics. But anyone else out there who'd like to take up the burden has my encouragement! Viva more PG songs! Richard P.S. Thanks to Bec #2 for the Leomac website (not that I need it, but I'm sure many on the list would have appreciated it) P.P.S. Welcome to the list LC! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000724/88d221a9/attachment.htm From prydonia at accn.org Mon Jul 24 10:35:48 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:35:48 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <006801bff552$904f4220$2b8b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 24, 2000 Spike: Kenny, it's no problem. Kenny: It's impossible. Spike: People do it every day. Kenny: I don't. Spike: Kenny, are you serious? You've never been out with a girl? Kenny: Well, Not completely. Spike: How can you be out with a girl not completely? Kenny: Well, I was there. Spike: Uh-huh. Kenny: But she… wasn't. Spike: She stood you up? Kenny: I never asked her. Spike: And you went anyway? Kenny: Yeah, well it would a shame if neither of us had turned up. Spike: You're missing the crucial point here. Kenny: The point is, I can't ask. I mean, what if she says no? Spike: What if she did? Kenny: I'd cover myself in petrol and I'll ask you for a lighter. Spike: Kenny, it's no problem. Let me show you. Lynda, will you go out with me tonight? Lynda: Not tonight, not any night, not ever! Spike: See? "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 18:42:06 2000 From: sleepyjean5881 at yahoo.com (MiMi Del Valle) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SO FUNNY] Message-ID: <20000724174206.13318.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com> Once again another extremely funny song from a funny guy...bravo good show! Why don't you try making a song a week ...you have the talent for it...keep em coming..Melissa ===== May God Bless You and Keep You always in His Care Love In christ Always Missy Ann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From natacha_t at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 01:06:32 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] Moronic Message-ID: <20000725000632.21082.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Graham Jordan Lemmah Pty. Ltd." wrote: > > >Just to let you know someone out there read it > and chuckled. > > Much appreciated! > > >I have not had time to do much in the way of > thinking about this topic, certainly not enough time > to sit down and make a whole song. > > *Richard cringes with embarrassment* "Look, I had > a spare hour one day, OK? It's not like I just sit > around making up PG songs all day, honestly!!" Richard you are amoung friends - we understand obsession surounding Press Gang.It ok to admit that you cleared some time in your day to write a PG song. > >One thing I will throw on the table though, in > case anyone else wants to take a crack at >it, would > be a parody version of Prince's "Little Red > >Corvette", entitled "Junior Gazette". I've had > that one line running through my head for a bit, but > since I don't like the song too much, I could >not > be bothered going to find the lyrics and modifying > them. > > Very cool idea indeed, but alas, like you I'm not > a fan of the song and could not be bothered tracking > down the lyrics. But anyone else out there who'd > like to take up the burden has my encouragement! > > Viva more PG songs! I was thinking out doing one to 'Bitch' by Merideth Brooks - but then I realised that the orriginal lyrics were already a good description of Lynda. Natacha > > Richard > > P.S. Thanks to Bec #2 for the Leomac website (not > that I need it, but I'm sure many on the list would > have appreciated it) > > P.P.S. Welcome to the list LC! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From hopalong_pxp at lycos.com Tue Jul 25 01:29:33 2000 From: hopalong_pxp at lycos.com (Allison K East) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:29:33 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] CUT! Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:16:56 Murray Head wrote: >Trav wrote: >>Steve, >> >You better believe it. It's worth setting your pants on fire to get this >> >book. Go for it. >>*** You know, sometimes I worry about your enthusiasm for some things >>in life...*chuckle* > >Maybe he meant it's worth setting *his* pants on fire. :-) Me, I prefer my >buns untoasted, and thus settled for sending a cheque. > >It *is* a fantastic book, though. I think someone mentioned that they >thought Jim Sangster might have had access to the original scripts. From >what I can tell, this is indeed the case. Certainly Steven Moffat and JimS >are good friends, which is why Jim passed on news about SM's two (then) >upcoming series a little while back (Coupling and Privates). > >Murray, >concerned that Steve did not emphasise the fact that setting your pants on >fire will not, in fact, result in you receiving the PGPG. That kind of >loose talk could result in people getting hurt! > >Of course, Steve never actually specified whether the pants should be >*worn* during this primal display... In the words of Teaspoon Hunter (and Katta will probably the the only one to recognise this. Unless I'm mistaken) "That'd be somethin' to see." Alli --- "I believe in Karma, what you give is what you get returned." Savage Garden, Affirmation > > >________________________________________ >"I don't go to mythical places with strange men". > - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. >muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ >Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > >-- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications - http://comm.lycos.com From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Tue Jul 25 06:10:24 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:10:24 +1000 Subject: [ot] Degrassi Stalker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20000725150115.01bf0bc0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, An update on the DJH-obsessed fan... Trav. ----- http://www.theage.com.au/news/20000725/A28212-2000Jul24.html Actor stalk charge dismissed By STEVE BUTCHER Tuesday 25 July 2000 A Melbourne magistrate yesterday struck out a charge against an accountant of stalking an actor in Canada from his Brighton home. Magistrate Sue Wakeling ruled that the court did not have jurisdiction where the "effect of the alleged conduct occurred entirely outside Victoria and the Commonwealth". In what was believed to be a legal first, Brian Andrew Sutcliffe, 37, was accused of stalking Sara Ballingal, who had a role in the ABC series Degrassi High in Toronto. The soap opera series, screened in Victoria between 1991 and 1995, involved the trials and tribulations of a group of teenagers at a junior high school. Mr Sutcliffe, who had denied the allegations, was described last year in court as a "besotted" fan when Ms Ballingall, through Canadian authorities, took out an intervention order with the help of Victorian police. He has been accused of stalking Ms Ballingall, now in her 20s, for the past six years by e-mail, post and telephone. The Melbourne Magistrates Court heard last August that Mr Sutcliffe had asked Ms Ballingall to sign a copy of a $7 ABC book about the series and sent her a present of a toy koala in an attempt to have her sign and return the book. Mr Sutcliffe told The Age outside court that whatever he had done was lawful and reasonable conduct, even if "some of the things might seem strange, trivial and minor". He said he had enjoyed the series and Ms Ballingall's role, but that he never had any intention of going to Canada. "I haven't been worried or stressed about the charge because I know I haven't done anything wrong," he said. "There is no guilt, nothing to hide, there's no fear." Ms Sutcliffe said he wished the charge had gone ahead because he would have raised questions about the police handling of the matter. Senior Constable Kyle McDonald, prosecuting, told Ms Wakeling, who also ordered an intervention order against Mr Sutcliffe be revoked, that police may appeal in the Supreme Court against her decision. Tony Parkinson, who successfully ran the jurisdiction argument for Mr Sutcliffe, said he would apply for costs against the police. Mr Sutcliffe, of New Street, Brighton, will reappear in court this morning to face 13 firearms charges. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From Jennifer.Cheng at uts.edu.au Tue Jul 25 06:24:38 2000 From: Jennifer.Cheng at uts.edu.au (Jennifer Cheng) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:24:38 +1000 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide Message-ID: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> Can any Aussies who have bought the Programme Guide tell me whether there is another way to get it other than buying a money order at the post office?? At $8 they're almost the same price as the guide itself. Jennifer > If you'd like to purchase the Guide, you can do so by getting in > contactwith the book's publisher, David Waddell. I myself only > purchased the book > earlier this year, however he did say at the time that there were > only a few > copies left (it was first printed a few years ago and never went > into a next > edition for obvious reasons). But it's worth a shot! If you want > to get in > contact with him, his email address is > > david at waddell33.freeserve.co.uk > > From memory it's only about 8 pounds, including postage and > handling. It > took a few weeks to reach me (coming from England and all) but as many > listees would agree, it's worth the wait and the money. I hope > that helps. > > Richard From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Tue Jul 25 06:30:05 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:30:05 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] Degrassi Stalker In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000725131843.00bde100@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <4.1.20000725150115.01bf0bc0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000725152845.00a0c120@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Murray, >I love the placement and simplicity of that last sentence, after all the >denials etc before it. > Steve Butcher obviously knows how to write a punchline. ;-) *** I know what you mean. I chuckled when I got to the end of it and saw the last line as well. In fact, it's a little like a Degrassi episode in a way, with a big moral message and a little twist...*grin* Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000725/108707a4/attachment.htm From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Tue Jul 25 06:40:19 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:40:19 +1000 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000725153711.01a5dd00@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Jennifer, >Can any Aussies who have bought the Programme Guide tell me whether >there is another way to get it other than buying a money order at the >post office?? At $8 they're almost the same price as the guide itself. *** I thought they were advertising money orders for only $2.50, or are such money orders only for use in Australia? Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.yoyo.org/pipermail/pressgang/attachments/20000725/6625c0e5/attachment.htm From muzza at pressgang.org Tue Jul 25 06:41:53 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:41:53 +0800 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000725132647.00bee9b0@mail.iinet.net.au> Jennifer There used to be someone in Perth (Carrie Forrester???) who sold the books directly. Maybe someone else has the address? Otherwise I can check at home. Murray PS - An $8 money order is not great, but it beats what happened the first time I ordered a book - I contacted David Waddell, got the details of where to send my cheque to (to "Leomac Publishing") and got an overseas cheque from the bank to send it (which cost $10). The cheque was written out to Leomac publishing, since that's where I was told to send the cheque. Several weeks later David sent the cheque back and told me he needed it made out in his name - which meant taking the cheque back and paying another $10 for a new one. That first PGPG cost me quite a bit all up - but it was worth it! This was a long while back, and I have made hassle-free orders for books to be sent to both Aus and the US since, so don't let my tale of woe put you off. :-) (Note that money orders etc should still be made out to David Waddell himself, *not* to Leomac) ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From doosh_bag at kittymail.com Tue Jul 25 07:18:11 2000 From: doosh_bag at kittymail.com (doosh bag) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:18:11 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] Degrassi Stalker Message-ID: <20000725061811.26214.qmail@kittymail.com> steve butcher....who's he??? -----Original Message----- From: Murray Head Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:21:52 +0800 To: "Press Gang Mailing List" Subject: Re: [pressgang] [ot] Degrassi Stalker > I love the placement and simplicity of that last sentence, after all the > denials etc before it. > Steve Butcher obviously knows how to write a punchline. ;-) > > > Murray > ________________________________________ > "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". > - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. > muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ > Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from www.kittymail.com Powered by Outblaze From muzza at pressgang.org Tue Jul 25 07:01:04 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:01:04 +0800 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000725132647.00bee9b0@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> I wrote: >There used to be someone in Perth (Carrie Forrester???) who sold the books >directly. Maybe someone else has the address? Otherwise I can check at home. Sorry for replying to myself, but I thought I should mention that it'll be my PG mail folders I'll be searching to try to find the address (I'm pretty sure I've sent the address to the list at least once before, and am unlikely to find the original envelope with the address at home), so maybe some of the longer-term list members reading this at home could search their PG mailboxes for "Carrie", "Forrester"(sp? (I know forester isn't usually spelt that way)) or "Boomerang" (that was the PG fanzine(?) Carrie was involved it)? I ask because I rarely get the time to check my mail at home these days, so it could be a while before I can check myself. Cheers, Murray ________________________________________ "Stupidity is like nuclear power; it can be used for good or evil ... and you don't want to get any on you." - Dogbert (Scott Adams) muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From muzza at pressgang.org Tue Jul 25 07:16:29 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:16:29 +0800 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] Degrassi Stalker In-Reply-To: <20000725061811.26214.qmail@kittymail.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000725140701.00c226b0@mail.iinet.net.au> "Doosh bag" wrote: >steve butcher....who's he??? The guy that wrote the article. :-) Murray, Who can honestly say he's never heard from someone who calls themselves "doosh bag" (or any homonyms thereof) before. :-) ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From prydonia at accn.org Tue Jul 25 10:48:14 2000 From: prydonia at accn.org (Kevin Nauta) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:48:14 -0400 Subject: Quote of the Day Message-ID: <00a901bff61d$7873c240$4e8b78d8@prydonia> QUOTE OF THE DAY, JULY 25, 2000 Lynda: Mr Sullivan. You said you'd have that article for the paper today, have you got it? Mr Sullivan: Good morning, Lynda. Lynda: Good morning, sir. Have you got it? Mr Sullivan: Would tomorrow do? Lynda: Oh, sir!, I've given you two extra days already! I mean, come on! Mr Sullivan: And speaking of things not done, your English essay was due in yesterday. Lynda: Hey, sir!, Yyou put me in charge of the Junior Gazette. I'm not just a pupil now;, I'm an editor. And I am kind of busy. Mr Sullivan: And I'm not just teaching you English and writing you articles., I am Assistant Head of this school and I also am "kind of busy"! Lynda: Then how can you spend eight minutes in the toilet? Mr Sullivan: Actually, Lynda, I was not aware that I was being timed. Lynda: I just happened to notice! That's two minutes over your average. Mr Sullivan: There are times, Lynda, when I think you ought to be fitted with an off switch. "One pays a penalty when one reaches out for something beyond the ordinary." Dean Priest, "Emily of New Moon" From apacherosepck at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 12:59:49 2000 From: apacherosepck at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alison=20Waters?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: glasses Message-ID: <20000725115949.5761.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> I know this is somewhat delayed but I was wondering steve what frames of Saffy you liked the most. The chunky buddy holly like ones in series one or the tortise shell like ones in later series. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From apacherosepck at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 13:01:20 2000 From: apacherosepck at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alison=20Waters?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: pg prog guide Message-ID: <20000725120120.14121.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> The address for Carri Forrester as of 9/04/1996 is PRESS GANG 'BOOMERANG' AUSTRALIA P.O. Box 450 APPLECROSS W.A. 6153 For memory a money order is 2 dollars or something. Alternatively a bank cheque from the CBA is $5.50. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From godiva at kublai.com Tue Jul 25 14:46:25 2000 From: godiva at kublai.com (Godiva Cully) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:46:25 -0400 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] Degrassi Stalker In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000725150115.01bf0bc0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au>; from t.cox@landfood.unimelb.edu.au on Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 03:10:24PM +1000 References: <4.1.20000725150115.01bf0bc0@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000725094625.A2406@rhodes.kublai.com> I'm not sure about anyone else, but lately I haven't been getting any of the messages sent by travis... They come out blank with the pgml footing. Just to let you know... --Eavan -- Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time. From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 25 17:15:29 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:15:29 +1000 Subject: [pressgang] glasses In-Reply-To: <20000725115949.5761.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000726021529.00882bd0@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 04:59 25/07/00 -0700, you wrote: >I know this is somewhat delayed but I was wondering >steve what frames of Saffy you liked the most. The >chunky buddy holly like ones in series one or the >tortise shell like ones in later series. Buddy Holly, I'd say. The geekier, the sexier. Cheers, Steve ----------------- "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I don't sleep on a bed of bones." BtVS ----------------- From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 25 17:31:56 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:31:56 +1000 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000726023156.0088c210@mail.futureweb.com.au> At 03:24 25/07/00 +1000, you wrote: >Can any Aussies who have bought the Programme Guide tell me whether >there is another way to get it other than buying a money order at the >post office?? At $8 they're almost the same price as the guide itself. If you can get a money order for $8 you're doing better than I can. Cheapest price I could find was $10. But here's the deal: when I sent away for mine I was miffed to find that with the horrible exchange rate and the cost of the order the guide cost me a bit over A$25. When I got the damn thing, I smacked myself silly for ever thinking that was too much money. It was all I could do to stop myself going out and sending another $25 to Mr Waddell. To this day, I still think I paid far too little for this GEM of a publication. Setting pants on fire - whosever they might be or whether they are being worn is my business - is my way of penance. Setting my karmic balance aright once more. I don't know if it works, but it relaxes me. BTW, I first got into the pants-burning hobby when I asked the rhetorical question "Is the Buffy the king of the hilarious quote or are my pants on fire?" and decided the answer could only be a big YES to both! And I never looked back. Cheerybye, Steve ----------------- "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I don't sleep on a bed of bones." BtVS ----------------- From sdarling at futureweb.com.au Tue Jul 25 17:37:58 2000 From: sdarling at futureweb.com.au (Steve Darlington) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:37:58 +1000 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000726023156.0088c210@mail.futureweb.com.au> References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000726023758.00893780@mail.futureweb.com.au> >BTW, I first got into the pants-burning hobby when I asked the rhetorical >question "Is the Buffy the king of the hilarious quote or are my pants on >fire?" and decided the answer could only be a big YES to both! And I never >looked back. Obviously that should be "the king of the hilarious quote among shows on right now" otherwise, it bows to PG. Naturallement. Steve From lcbeckett at excite.com Tue Jul 25 19:11:49 2000 From: lcbeckett at excite.com (LC Beckett) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: :) Message-ID: <7622055.964548709903.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com> Okay. I'm new to the list and I have to get right to the point. Has anyone in the UK got ?any vids of the series? I used to own the last series (pride and joy) but a cruel twist of fate led to my brother recording "Die Hard" over them. Now no offence to Bruce's heroic antics (such unflinching bravery deserves the utmost respect) but this pissed me off beyond belief. Why they don't repeat them again I don't understand, especially as Julia Sawala, Dexter Fletcher and Lee Ross are doing so well. ?So pleeeeaaasee contact me if you have copies. If not then maybe we could beg C4 or whoever owns the rights nowadays to ?broadcast them... LCB. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Tue Jul 25 22:55:52 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:55:52 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] :) Message-ID: LCB Channel 4 don't have the rights anymore, Nickelodeon (crap) were the last people to transmit it in the UK so it falls down to them. A bloke on the List called L...h (WHERE ARE YOU?!) has had some dealings with them but Nickelodeon tend to be rather patronising and treat him like a child - but basically it was never popular enough for them to consider re-showing. Channel 4 have plans for a new entertainment channel so I have this dream where someone goes "We have all this air-time to fill, what can we do?!! I know, let's re-show all those great programmes we used to have like 'Press Gang', 'thirtysomething', 'The Street' and ."... then I wake up. As for getting Series 5, I myself am not able to make copies of it but I know of two UKers on the list who have been known to do it for others - will those two people please put their hands up now? They'll probably contact you off-List cos people are rather nice sweet here. I have the appearance of not being nice because I neglect to read mails (so it piles up and I take days to reply to things so it looks like I'm ignoring people) and have a generally poor memory. Cameene - yeah, yeah. > -----Original Message----- > From: LC Beckett [SMTP:lcbeckett at excite.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:50 PM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: [pressgang] :) > > Okay. I'm new to the list and I have to get right to the point. Has anyone > > in the UK got any vids of the series? I used to own the last series > (pride > and joy) but a cruel twist of fate led to my brother recording "Die Hard" > over them. Now no offence to Bruce's heroic antics (such unflinching > bravery > deserves the utmost respect) but this pissed me off beyond belief. > > Why they don't repeat them again I don't understand, especially as Julia > Sawala, Dexter Fletcher and Lee Ross are doing so well. So pleeeeaaasee > contact me if you have copies. If not then maybe we could beg C4 or > whoever > owns the rights nowadays to broadcast them... > > LCB. > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Tue Jul 25 23:11:18 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:11:18 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] OT Moronic Message-ID: Travis wrote (in invisible ink): * "Richard, * * >(To the tune of Alanis Morisette's "Ironic", quite obviously...) * * *** Just to let you know someone out there read it and chuckled. I * have not * had time to do much in the way of thinking about this topic, certainly not * enough time to sit down and make a whole song. One thing I will throw on the * table though, in case anyone else wants to take a crack at it, would be a * parody version of Prince's "Little Red Corvette", entitled "Junior Gazette". * I've had that one line running through my head for a bit, but since I don't * like the song too much, I could not be bothered going to find the lyrics and * modifying them. * * Trav." * Personally, my favourite part goes along the lines of: 'I guess I shoulda closed my eyes when you drove me To the place where your horses run free. And I felt a little ill when I saw all the pictures Of the jockeys that were there before me.' Cameene - giggling now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Cox [SMTP:t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 4:13 AM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: Re: [pressgang] Moronic > > This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet > Service. To view the original message content, open the attached > message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to > disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original > character set. << File: message.txt >> > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From CPitters at Channel4.co.uk Tue Jul 25 23:17:36 2000 From: CPitters at Channel4.co.uk (Cameene Pitters) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:17:36 -0000 Subject: [pressgang] [ot] Degrassi Stalker Message-ID: That's because he's turned on back the thing he's supposed to keep turned off (or something). Travis, how many *times* do I have to tell you about this?!! If I were called Lynda Day you'd listen to me . Actually, what's also been happening is that I receive replies to a message before the orignal is sent. Is the List having problems again? Hehe - just noticed the signature Eavan had. "I'm gonna use that one." Cameene - replying to anything, now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Godiva Cully [SMTP:godiva at kublai.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:46 PM > To: Press Gang Mailing List > Subject: Re: [pressgang] [ot] Degrassi Stalker > > I'm not sure about anyone else, but lately I haven't been getting any of > the messages sent by travis... They come out blank with the pgml footing. > > Just to let you know... > --Eavan > > -- > Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a > law against it by that time. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at channel4.co.uk From saffron at citynet.net Tue Jul 25 22:31:05 2000 From: saffron at citynet.net (Mann) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:31:05 -0400 Subject: New pics of Our Jules Message-ID: <001401bff680$0476bb00$bc5a44cf@mann> Duncan Lynsky from the Julia list at e-groups posts some vidcaps of Julia which show her in a Walking With Dinosaurs kind of background. She features in a new BBC promo advertising their Statement of Promises. Anyone who would like a copy of them, give me a jingle and I will forward them on to you. Duncan always does great work and the images are top quality. There are 6 images in all and their sizes range from 27KB to 41KB. Karen From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 26 01:05:41 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:05:41 +1000 Subject: [ot] Can You Read This? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.20000726100117.00949830@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> All, Hopefully this can be read by those having problems over the last few days with my messages. I apologise for the stupid title, but in the event that this email had the same problems as the last few apparently have, there was no way that anyone would be able to read it if I put it in the body of the email. Reply to me OFF-LIST if the problem is fixed please. I am sending it through the list simply because there might be some problem between my emails and the list, so a direct mail to those having problems might not give the same effect. I apologise to all others for the otherwise uselessness of this mail. Trav. From natacha_t at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 01:15:44 2000 From: natacha_t at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Natacha=20Tracy?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pressgang] :) Message-ID: <20000726001544.3610.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Okay. I'm new to the list Wellcome. and I have to get right to > the point. another blunt member of the list - you'll fit in reallty well with all the rest of us Lynda Day Wannabes Has anyone > in the UK got ?any vids of the series? I used to own > the last series (pride > and joy) but a cruel twist of fate led to my brother > recording "Die Hard" > over them. Now no offence to Bruce's heroic antics > (such unflinching bravery > > deserves the utmost respect) but this pissed me off > beyond belief. If your brother is still alive then you deserve a medal. > > Why they don't repeat them again I don't understand, > especially as Julia > Sawala, Dexter Fletcher and Lee Ross are doing so > well. Its a mystery - actully its copywrite but still. ?So pleeeeaaasee > contact me if you have copies. If not then maybe we > could beg C4 or whoever > owns the rights nowadays to ?broadcast them... you think we havent' tried Natacha > > LCB. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: > pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: > pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to > the message author > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jcj at raex.com Wed Jul 26 06:47:25 2000 From: jcj at raex.com (Cindy Boyce) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:47:25 -0400 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <002801bff6c4$fb114860$5308c4d8@raex.com> Does anyone know if there is any way for those of us in America to buy the Programme Guide? -Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Head To: Press Gang Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [pressgang]Programme Guide > I wrote: > >There used to be someone in Perth (Carrie Forrester???) who sold the books > >directly. Maybe someone else has the address? Otherwise I can check at home. > > Sorry for replying to myself, but I thought I should mention that it'll be > my PG mail folders I'll be searching to try to find the address (I'm pretty > sure I've sent the address to the list at least once before, and am > unlikely to find the original envelope with the address at home), so maybe > some of the longer-term list members reading this at home could search > their PG mailboxes for "Carrie", "Forrester"(sp? (I know forester isn't > usually spelt that way)) or "Boomerang" (that was the PG fanzine(?) Carrie > was involved it)? > I ask because I rarely get the time to check my mail at home these days, so > it could be a while before I can check myself. > > Cheers, > Murray > > ________________________________________ > "Stupidity is like nuclear power; it can be used for good or evil > ... and you don't want to get any on you." - Dogbert (Scott Adams) > muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ > Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > From muzza at pressgang.org Wed Jul 26 07:00:19 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:00:19 +0800 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <002801bff6c4$fb114860$5308c4d8@raex.com> References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> David Waddell will post to America, but I have a feeling you're looking for something more local. I don't think that anyone resells the Programme Guide in the US - Amazon say they can get it in (I think) but I seem to recall someone saying that it takes forever, and then they tell you they can't get it anyway. Lest this seems like a useless post telling you stuff you already know, what I was going to suggest is that a few of you USers band together to order a few copies. It shouldn't be any major hassle - as long as you all pay postage, David can arrange the separate posts to everyone who wants a copy - but if you all arrange your order together, you each save on the cost of an international cheque. Alternatively, you could see if David will give you a discount on posting all the books to one person, but that could get fiddly for the person posting them out to people in different parts of the country. Murray PS - If anyone *does* get through to Carrie F in Perth for a copy of the book, can you please let the list know whether she is still selling the books? I have images of us repeating her name for years after she runs out of them. :-) ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From jcj at raex.com Wed Jul 26 07:14:35 2000 From: jcj at raex.com (Cindy Boyce) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:14:35 -0400 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au><4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <003301bff6c8$c603e7a0$5308c4d8@raex.com> Yeah, but that probably won't work, because we can't make money orders or checks out in Pounds Sterling over here, so I guess we're screwed:) ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Head To: Press Gang Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [pressgang]Programme Guide > David Waddell will post to America, but I have a feeling you're looking for > something more local. I don't think that anyone resells the Programme > Guide in the US - Amazon say they can get it in (I think) but I seem to > recall someone saying that it takes forever, and then they tell you they > can't get it anyway. > > Lest this seems like a useless post telling you stuff you already know, > what I was going to suggest is that a few of you USers band together to > order a few copies. It shouldn't be any major hassle - as long as you all > pay postage, David can arrange the separate posts to everyone who wants a > copy - but if you all arrange your order together, you each save on the > cost of an international cheque. Alternatively, you could see if David > will give you a discount on posting all the books to one person, but that > could get fiddly for the person posting them out to people in different > parts of the country. > > Murray > > PS - If anyone *does* get through to Carrie F in Perth for a copy of the > book, can you please let the list know whether she is still selling the > books? I have images of us repeating her name for years after she runs out > of them. :-) > ________________________________________ > "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". > - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. > muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ > Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > From muzza at pressgang.org Wed Jul 26 08:01:14 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:01:14 +0800 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <003301bff6c8$c603e7a0$5308c4d8@raex.com> References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726143023.00d932c0@mail.iinet.net.au> Jenny wrote: >Yeah, but that probably won't work, because we can't make money orders or >checks out in Pounds Sterling over here, so I guess we're screwed:) You can't get international cheques in the US? I respectfully submit that you may be in error - I know that US people have ordered from David Waddell in the past. Hell, I used to live in a town of 6000 people, with no other towns within 450kms, and I could get either an international bank cheque or a money order from (I think) 3 places there! (Though to be honest to get the third I would have to join another bank). As a sign of how fervently I believe that it is possible to get an international cheque in the US, I am not even going to slip in the traditional comment about banks in the US maybe not believing in other currencies. :-) Murray PS - Hey maybe you could send US$0.50 to Aus, we could translate it to A$250, and then use that to get a cheque for UK?15. :-) ________________________________________ "I don?t go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ From s349740 at student.uq.edu.au Wed Jul 26 09:04:38 2000 From: s349740 at student.uq.edu.au (Bec) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:04:38 +1000 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au><4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au><4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726143023.00d932c0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <008301bff6d8$25404100$f524a8c0@stjohn.uq.edu.au> >PS - Hey maybe you could send US$0.50 to Aus, we could translate it to >A$250, and then use that to get a cheque for UK?15. :-) He he he he he! ________________________________________ "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 26 09:08:14 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:08:14 +1000 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <008301bff6d8$25404100$f524a8c0@stjohn.uq.edu.au> References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726143023.00d932c0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000726180648.01a8af10@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Murray, >>PS - Hey maybe you could send US$0.50 to Aus, we could translate it to >>A$250, and then use that to get a cheque for UK?15. :-) *** You forgot to include the FID and BAD charges that the government would impose on the transactions. You'd actually only end up with threepence. Of course, that's the same as half a sixpence. And half a sixpence is better than none...*reliving horrible memories of a crap high school production* Trav. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From jcj at raex.com Wed Jul 26 09:23:12 2000 From: jcj at raex.com (Cindy Boyce) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:23:12 -0400 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au><4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au><4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726143023.00d932c0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <005c01bff6da$be1df140$5308c4d8@raex.com> Yeah, I sent a M.O. to the U.K. once, in fact, I sent one to Cameene who was nice enough to help me out with a couple tapes awhile back, but I couldn't make it out in Pounds Sterling, and had to make it out in U.S. cash, which I think is harder to cash in the U.K., and I wrote David, and he specifically told me that he needs it in Pounds Sterling, though:) - Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Head To: Press Gang Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [pressgang]Programme Guide > Jenny wrote: > >Yeah, but that probably won't work, because we can't make money orders or > >checks out in Pounds Sterling over here, so I guess we're screwed:) > > You can't get international cheques in the US? I respectfully submit that > you may be in error - I know that US people have ordered from David Waddell > in the past. > > Hell, I used to live in a town of 6000 people, with no other towns within > 450kms, and I could get either an international bank cheque or a money > order from (I think) 3 places there! (Though to be honest to get the third > I would have to join another bank). > > As a sign of how fervently I believe that it is possible to get an > international cheque in the US, I am not even going to slip in the > traditional comment about banks in the US maybe not believing in other > currencies. :-) > > Murray > > PS - Hey maybe you could send US$0.50 to Aus, we could translate it to > A$250, and then use that to get a cheque for UK?15. :-) > > > > ________________________________________ > "I don't go to mythical places with strange men". > - Douglas Adams - The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul. > muzza at pressgang.org >>><<< http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ > Webmaster: Australasian S. Human Biology http://www.anhb.uwa.edu.au/ASHB/ > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail: pressgang-unsubscribe at lists.yoyo.org > For additional commands e-mail: pressgang-help at lists.yoyo.org > 'Reply' will send your mail to the list, not to the message author > From t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au Wed Jul 26 09:39:12 2000 From: t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au (Travis Cox) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:39:12 +1000 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <005c01bff6da$be1df140$5308c4d8@raex.com> References: <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726143023.00d932c0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4.1.20000726182310.00a01310@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Jenny, >Yeah, I sent a M.O. to the U.K. once, in fact, I sent one to Cameene who was >nice enough to help me out with a couple tapes awhile back, but I couldn't >make it out in Pounds Sterling, and had to make it out in U.S. cash, which I >think is harder to cash in the U.K., and I wrote David, and he specifically >told me that he needs it in Pounds Sterling, though:) *** I think you should try another financial institution. As much as we outside the US like to mock it for being an inward-looking nation that seems not to realise there are other ways of doing things on the planet, I do find it hard to believe that you would not be able find a single place in the US that would permit you to get a M.O. in a different currency. Perhaps they are called something else, and the person you spoke with thought you wanted a domestic monetary transfer only? That might lead to them telling you it could only be in $US. I'd recommend walking into banks though, because a search on the net I just did to locate prices only led me to "how to make MONEY using mail ORDER" sites by the hundreds... Trav, who today almost knocked over that funny looking guy (Ian someone) with the moustache on the ABC's "Consuming Passions" show. ======================================= PGML Listee Image Page - *THE* place to be seen Send your images to Trav off-list. Images should be <600KB, preferably JPG or GIF. Plus up to 250 words allowed to bore/entertain/confuse the masses. http://www.MooQuack.com/pgml-lip.html ======================================= From calum.junk at btinternet.com Wed Jul 26 10:18:04 2000 From: calum.junk at btinternet.com (Calum Benson) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:18:04 +0100 Subject: [pressgang]Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000726182310.00a01310@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <001b01bff6e2$67147920$ec53073e@calum> > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Cox [mailto:t.cox at landfood.unimelb.edu.au] > I'd recommend walking into banks though, because a search > on the net I just did to locate prices only led me to "how to make MONEY > using mail ORDER" sites by the hundreds... You want to find yourself a better search engine... the good 'uns let you match phrases rather than just any combination of words that happen to be in your search terms... Cheeri, Calum, off to Ireland in the morning, so this may well be my last post for the forseeable future. Bitching at Trav, what a way to go... ______________________________________________ CALUM BENSON, Hunky Exiled Scottish Bachelor mailto:cbenson at btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~cbenson ICQ 18452714 From muzza at pressgang.org Wed Jul 26 10:29:41 2000 From: muzza at pressgang.org (Murray Head) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:29:41 +0800 Subject: [pressgang](ot)Programme Guide In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000726182310.00a01310@eduserv.its.unimelb.edu.au> References: <005c01bff6da$be1df140$5308c4d8@raex.com> <4028942d1d.42d1d40289@uts.edu.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000725135445.00b37360@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726135125.00d92cf0@mail.iinet.net.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726143023.00d932c0@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726172528.00bd8580@mail.iinet.net.au> Trav wrote: >Trav, who today almost knocked over that funny looking guy (Ian someone) with >the moustache on the ABC's "Consuming Passions" show. Parmenter. Murray, wondering what Trav almost knocked him over with. ________________________________________________________ Murray Head http://www.omen.net.au/~muzza/ "VLADIMIR. That passed the time. ESTRAGON. It would have passed in any case. VLADIMIR. Yes, but not so rapidly." - Waiting For Godot, Samuel Beckett From garethp at cwcom.net Wed Jul 26 11:00:39 2000 From: garethp at cwcom.net (Gareth Preston) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:00:39 +0100 Subject: The Big Hello and Killer on the Line Message-ID: <002401bff6e8$6afbddc0$ac132cc3@e3p7f4> I've just watched these episodes for the first time and its been very enjoyable. Here's a few random thoughts: Clever bit of fantasy as the plane carrying Spike flys across Lynda's house and she hiccups. In a good bit of continuity, Kenny does seem to be more self confident and assertive in this season. His scenes with Lynda near the start of the episode as he tries to show her the phones are excellent and he gets the quote of the episode: Lynda: "Can I sack someone?" Kenny: "On your birthday, if you've been good." The restaurant scenes orchastrate very smoothly and the raid on the co